[PGT] Flames Grab a Point in a Snoozer

[Huntingwhale]

What's with the thread title? I thought other then the poor start the Flames carried the play for the majority of the game. They could have easily won it on a bunch of scoring chances. A game we deserved to win, but at least we got a point out of it. The team showed heart all game and a couple broken plays resulted in goals against us. Dumba's teammates should be buying him drinks all night for his game saving deflection at the end which directly resulted in the Wild scoring. Hate the Wild but can't fault the Flames' effort.

And screw Dubnyk. I felt bad for him when he played for the Oilers and felt good for him when he got traded. Now he's playing like this? What a stupid sucky story he is. I hope he chokes down the stretch and the Wild miss out.

[GioforPM]

This wasn't Jooris' best game by far, and he was the main back checker I thought missed the assignment on first goal.

I will also agree he has cooled off a fair bit. But back to Addy? Hardly. I might say switch him with Colborne on that line at best.

[Obsidian]

We just need either the Sharks or Jets to be the weakest link in the race so L.A. or (if Dub continues to bail them out) Minny can overtake them and not us.

But I believe we'll hold our own at at least .500 to stay above the line through the upcoming trip.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DOOM

I definitely have not forgotten that.

Some of you need to remember how mediocre he was in the AHL last year. He had a hot streak earlier, but hes not that player.

I don't expect him to be a prolific goal scorer and I doubt anyone here does also. I see a player who plays a solid 2 way game. His speed and his defensive play and the odd goals he's scored have made him avaluable asset on this team.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

He is just doom. Dr
Doom doesn't say tons of stupid ####.

Totally noticed that there is actually a Dr. Doom and that my pun would be lost because of that. Drats!!

Sorry real Dr. Doom!

[heep223]

Without knowing the intricacies of the system the Flames are playing, it's difficult to declare with certainty was in the wrong on the OT goal - Johnny or Wideman. Conventional systems dictate that the 3rd player back (ie. the first forward back) take the high attacker in the case of a 3 on 2. Same with a 2 on 2 - the back checking forward's primary responsibility is to keep his head on a swivel and make sure their high man doesn't get the puck.

Bottom line is that it was probably Johnny's missed assignment but can't say for sure. Not that it really matters.

Good to get a point, grinds my gears that we couldn't get two still though. Need every one!

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

? Why do you say that? They've been pretty good the last two games, no?

wishful wishing

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Totally noticed that there is actually a Dr. Doom and that my pun would be lost because of that. Drats!!

Sorry real Dr. Doom!

Its all good.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by heep223

Without knowing the intricacies of the system the Flames are playing, it's difficult to declare with certainty was in the wrong on the OT goal - Johnny or Wideman. Conventional systems dictate that the 3rd player back (ie. the first forward back) take the high attacker in the case of a 3 on 2. Same with a 2 on 2 - the back checking forward's primary responsibility is to keep his head on a swivel and make sure their high man doesn't get the puck.

Bottom line is that it was probably Johnny's missed assignment but can't say for sure. Not that it really matters.

Good to get a point, grinds my gears that we couldn't get two still though. Need every one!

It doesn't matter who missed what assignment, Gaudreau was in the wrong position. There is simply no reason for him to be standing right beside Hiller in the crease during that play, either get out in front and try to block the shot or get out of the way so Hiller can stop it. He stopped thinking at the wrong time and it cost the Flames the game

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

And yet if you dare point out a glaring negative about this team you're a harbinger of doom.

December: pretty much having written off the team to the point of suggesting we were tanking:

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

They tanked because they were playing terrible hockey for most of a month, it doesn't have to be intentional. And if not for the heroics of a rookie they would still be digging that hole, the rest of the team was still pretty awful. As long as there are so many passengers in the lineup nothing will really change

But unlike years past I actually watched every game of this losing streak, simply to watch the Johnny Hockey show. And I'll probably watch every game next year to see if Bennett can do the same. I love the youth movement on this team and do have some hope for the future because of it, but until management jettisons the dead weight I don't think the playoffs as a realistic goal

Giving up hope on playoffs during losing skid:

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I think this streak killed any shot they had at the playoffs. The west is just too competitive and I can't see the Flames making up any ground later in the season when the real fight for a wildcard spot kicks in. It was a fun ride but I think they'll end up settling in for a 10th or 11th place finish in the conference

Guarenteeing losses in game day threads:

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

This is about as close to a guaranteed loss as you can get without going to Anaheim. I just hope the Flames don't embarrass themselves, that's as far as my hopes go

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I don't have much interest in wasting my time digging any deeper, but you stick out like a sore thumb for having done this for years. You are 100% pure doom and gloom any time something is not going our way. You do it very repetitively, and then when called on it you seem to have no idea that you do it. As I said, look through your posting history.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Dion

I don't expect him to be a prolific goal scorer and I doubt anyone here does also. I see a player who plays a solid 2 way game. His speed and his defensive play and the odd goals he's scored have made him avaluable asset on this team.

I think the greatest strength he's shown so far is his ability to play in many different situations and roles throughout the line up. Started as a 4th liner, has climbed as high as the 2nd line, leveled out on the 3rd so far this year, plays wing, plays center, plays on the PK. He's a rookie albeit an older one but he is already gaining the trust of the coaching staff in multiple situations, so what if his offense has come back down to earth??? Definitely not a reason to 'send him down' as Doom requested.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

December: pretty much having written off the team to the point of suggesting we were tanking:




Giving up hope on playoffs during losing skid:





Guarenteeing losses in game day threads:





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I don't have much interest in wasting my time digging any deeper, but you stick out like a sore thumb for having done this for years. You are 100% pure doom and gloom any time something is not going our way. You do it very repetitively, and then when called on it you seem to have no idea that you do it. As I said, look through your posting history.

Way to cite precedent.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

It doesn't matter who missed what assignment, Gaudreau was in the wrong position. There is simply no reason for him to be standing right beside Hiller in the crease during that play, either get out in front and try to block the shot or get out of the way so Hiller can stop it. He stopped thinking at the wrong time and it cost the Flames the game

The real issue is the third man high, who ended up getting the puck when we had numbers coming back. That should never happen. And like I'm saying it was likely his fault. He was caught in no man's land after that as you refer to.

4v4 is a bit different because it's often man coverage so he may have been confused because of that, hard to say.

[Heavy Jack]

lol just read the 'jettison the dead weight' quote.

We did that two years ago and for the first time in 10 years we are seeing insanely good hockey. Its not just the JG show its the Monahan, Bouma, Gio, Brodie, Russell, Hudler, Backlund etc. Show too.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I think the greatest strength he's shown so far is his ability to play in many different situations and roles throughout the line up. Started as a 4th liner, has climbed as high as the 2nd line, leveled out on the 3rd so far this year, plays wing, plays center, plays on the PK. He's a rookie albeit an older one but he is already gaining the trust of the coaching staff in multiple situations, so what if his offense has come back down to earth??? Definitely not a reason to 'send him down' as Doom requested.

His progression at the NHL level has been nothing short of remarkable. His maturity shows in how he handles adversity on the ice. He's a very coachable player who is willing to play any role the coach gives him.

Like Bouma, his quickness is his best asset. He's able to get back and break up plays by the opposing team.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Dion

His progression at the NHL level has been nothing short of remarkable. His maturity shows in how he handles adversity on the ice. He's a very coachable player who is willing to play any role the coach gives him.

Like Bouma, his quickness is his best asset. He's able to get back and break up plays by the opposing team.

I can't wait to start seeing year 2,3,4 etc. for some of these guys, kinda like we are seeing with Bouma, Backlund and Brodie this year. Exciting to think of where this team could be a few years down the road and that's in large part due to the depth we boast through out the nhl/ahl systems.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I don't have much interest in wasting my time digging any deeper, but you stick out like a sore thumb for having done this for years. You are 100% pure doom and gloom any time something is not going our way. You do it very repetitively, and then when called on it you seem to have no idea that you do it. As I said, look through your posting history.

Well it's not like this franchise has given fans a lot of reason to be optimistic over the years before this season. Playoff chokes, season collapses, ridiculous signings/trades. I want to think they've finally turned a corner and the new Flames era will be better, but it's too early to tell. So I'll probably continue to be my pessimistic self until then, and if you really don't want to read it then just put me on ignore

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by heep223

Without knowing the intricacies of the system the Flames are playing, it's difficult to declare with certainty was in the wrong on the OT goal - Johnny or Wideman. Conventional systems dictate that the 3rd player back (ie. the first forward back) take the high attacker in the case of a 3 on 2. Same with a 2 on 2 - the back checking forward's primary responsibility is to keep his head on a swivel and make sure their high man doesn't get the puck.

Bottom line is that it was probably Johnny's missed assignment but can't say for sure. Not that it really matters.

Good to get a point, grinds my gears that we couldn't get two still though. Need every one!

Why must we blame a player or players on this lost in OT. It was a lucky bounce on Wild's OT goal. The puck bounces of Gaudreau who happen to be trying to help Hiller. There was no missed assignment. Flames had a great scoring chance earlier and Wild came back and got the chance of their own and capitalized. Simple as that.

[GoJetsGo]

Still blows me a way that Jooris was called into question. The guy is one of the feel good stories of the season.

He's an energy guy and he hasn't brought much lately... except energy and speed. He's been a potent part of our attack and I think his being on pace for 15 goals in his rookie season as a 4th liner bodes well for his future.

He might not trend up like that in goals but he's certainly a guy who plays with a ton of heart, speed and grit and has shown he can chip in with big goals. Sounds like the kind of guy who helps you win.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well it's not like this franchise has given fans a lot of reason to be optimistic over the years before this season. Playoff chokes, season collapses, ridiculous signings/trades. I want to think they've finally turned a corner and the new Flames era will be better, but it's too early to tell. So I'll probably continue to be my pessimistic self until then, and if you really don't want to read it then just put me on ignore

I actually find it fascinating to see someone who spends so much time and effort following something so intently that makes them feel nothing but enduring pessimism.

The only reason we're still discussing it was because you were acting like you don't do it / that it's news to you.

Doom and gloom away. I get a kick out of seeing you bragging about the Flames under the same username on other forums and then making comments like the ones above when we lose a few in a row.