Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

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[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Stuff like this is why I worship Zeus

Zeus? He's a good friend of mine, hell of a ball player and brews a mean beer at home. Not sure that is worthy or worship but to each their own.


Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Annnnd the Catholic League decides it wants some anti-religion venom too

"Had [Charbonnier] not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive," Donohue says, in what must be one of the more offensive and insensitive comments made on this tragic day.

"Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated," says Donohue. "But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction."

The statement says Charlie Hebdo has "a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning" of religious figures. "They have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms," Donohue says. "They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ked-slaughter/

[puckedoff]

I just want to know if these bums have been caught yet.....

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

Because it's failed. At least in some countries. Definitely in France. It's why I really hope Canada avoids the mistakes they made, and we have so far. Do not allow "ethnic enclaves" to develop. Respect for an immigrant's culture is important, but integration is just as important.

The problem doesn't have anything to do with immigration in my opinion, it has to do with radicalization.

This radicalization comes out of regions that have been in near constant turmoil for 50-70 years.

Why?

[Ozy_Flame]

All three have been arrested, apparently. Confirmed by Paris mayor.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

All three have been arrested, apparently. Confirmed by Paris mayor.

Where are you seeing that? None of the live-blogs of the reputable Paris and French newspapers are reporting that, just that they've been identified and know the general area they might be in.

[TorqueDog]

Islam needs a reform, but of course it has to be reformed from within. We need more people like Maajid Nawaz.

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Apologies in advance to the mods...

Originally Posted by speede5

My God doesn't want these things, but this world doesn't want Him either. You(the world) blame a God you don't believe in for not acting when you have told him flat out to get lost. Why get all shocked when he doesn't intervene?

This is quite possibly the most insipid #### I've seen in a long time. The rest of your post builds off this absurd premise and frankly isn't worth the kilobytes of data used to deliver it across the internet.

Your paragraph says the following things:
1. You indirectly claim that not only does your 'God' exist; but
2. You claim to know his nature, and what he does or doesn't want.
3. Despite the majority of the world believing in him (roughly 56% of the world's populace with that 56% split 65/35 Christianity/Islam as of July 2013), he won't act to stop horrendous acts of violence because of what - hurt feelings?

The deity you worship has hurt feelings. Is that the same reason he won't save starving people in third-world countries, murmurs to the Pope that condoms are worse than - say - dying from AIDS, enables children to die by the millions every year from everything from starvation to disease to warfare, and empowers psychopaths to commit violence in his name?

Based off of that, your 'god' isn't welcome for good reason - he's a childish, petty jerkbag.


"Hey guys. God here. I know you all know I'm loving, kind, just, and intrinsically good... but the 11% of the irreligious in the world don't believe in me and don't want me to intervene, and some of you call me by the wrong name, so I'm just gonna let you kill each other. Cool?

Signed,

God
PS: Stop fapping."

Happily, there's no evidence for his existence. It doesn't say very good things about you, though.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The problem doesn't have anything to do with immigration in my opinion, it has to do with radicalization.

This radicalization comes out of regions that have been in near constant turmoil for 50-70 years.

Why?

It's not immigration alone, it's immigration and forcing everyone into the same neighbourhoods where they can legitimately never interact with the society they've immigrated to. Think a place like Richmond, where a chinese immigrant could likely live for who knows how long without speaking english. Then multiply it, make it so the police never go there and then add extremism.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Where are you seeing that? None of the live-blogs of the reputable Paris and French newspapers are reporting that, just that they've been identified and know the general area they might be in.

Yury Barmin ‏@yurybarmin 1h1 hour ago
CONFIRMED by #Paris Deputy Mayor: All three #CharlieHebdo terrorists have now been arrested.

This is from a Strategy analyst I follow on Twitter. Perhaps more details will trickle through in the next little while.

[troutman]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/europe...ire/index.html

The three suspects behind the attack have been identified, Paris Deputy Mayor Patrick Klugman told CNN. Two of them are brothers.

Klugman did not name the suspects, but said they were 34, 32 and 18 and from a suburb outside Paris.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yury Barmin ‏@yurybarmin 1h1 hour ago
CONFIRMED by #Paris Deputy Mayor: All three #CharlieHebdo terrorists have now been arrested.

This is from a Strategy analyst I follow on Twitter. Perhaps more details will trickle through in the next little while.

Literally no media outlet is reporting that. False news of arrests have occured a few times (As is often in rapid news development).

Only thing confirmed or popping up as news is a potential police operation underway in Reims.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Literally no media outlet is reporting that. False news of arrests have occured a few times (As is often in rapid news development).

Only thing confirmed or popping up as news is a potential police operation underway in Reims.

Ok.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's not immigration alone, it's immigration and forcing everyone into the same neighbourhoods where they can legitimately never interact with the society they've immigrated to. Think a place like Richmond, where a chinese immigrant could likely live for who knows how long without speaking english. Then multiply it, make it so the police never go there and then add extremism.

I get that aspect of it, but the chinese immigrants in Richmond don't really want to kill me in any significant number.

I get what you're saying about needing to integrate cultures to breed a sense of community which eliminates fear and envy etc, but how does this radicalization get so big?

Why is this particularly violent cult propagating instead of say, the less violent cult of Scientology?

This notion that Islam is a violent religion is nuts. The 'muslim community' doesn't exist, it's just people, some more observant than others, some more questioning of their faith, some more fastidious about it, but the question is, if it is indeed true that Muslims ARE more violent than say, Jews or Christians, why is that? Has that always been the case?

I think the whole discussion is absurd. These are people from a country who may be fueled more by anger than religion or they may just be nuts or stupid and malleable, whatever the case may be.

I think the narrative CC is making about this being the 'new normal' for 'terrorism' to be self-enforced fear mongering. The dude who attacked parliament is apparently a case of mental illness, without relation to muslims, arabs, jihad and the like. The shooting in Sydney this year turned out to be a lone gunman 'self-styled cleric', with no ties or interaction with ISIS or Al-Qaeda, who had fallen through the cracks of the Australian justice system (very similar to the shooter at parliament).

[Coach]

Originally Posted by cDnStealth

Don't kid yourself. If it wasn't killing in the name of religion it would be killing in the name of something else. If there is one thing religious debates have taught me it's that atheists are just as annoying as devout religious people.

I agree that people will find a way to kill each other, but does that mean we shouldn't be fighting (idealogically, not physically/violently) against what is currently the main reason that people do?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's not immigration alone, it's immigration and forcing everyone into the same neighbourhoods where they can legitimately never interact with the society they've immigrated to. Think a place like Richmond, where a chinese immigrant could likely live for who knows how long without speaking english. Then multiply it, make it so the police never go there and then add extremism.

No one is forcing them to live in secluded neighborhoods. That's particularly true in Richmond, where people are spending millions to live in predominantly Chinese neighborhoods. They are making the choice not to integrate.

[shermanator]

Originally Posted by blankall

No one is forcing them to live in secluded neighborhoods. That's particularly true in Richmond, where people are spending millions to live in predominantly Chinese neighborhoods. They are making the choice not to integrate.

Is that not the same thing that Canadians do when they move to Mexico? Live in predominantly ex-pat communities?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why is this particularly violent cult propagating instead of say, the less violent cult of Scientology?

This notion that Islam is a violent religion is nuts. The 'muslim community' doesn't exist, it's just people, some more observant than others, some more questioning of their faith, some more fastidious about it, but the question is, if it is indeed true that Muslims ARE more violent than say, Jews or Christians, why is that? Has that always been the case?

I think the whole discussion is absurd. These are people from a country who may be fueled more by anger than religion or they may just be nuts or stupid and malleable, whatever the case may be.

Are they though? Radicals, claiming Islam as the source of their beliefs, are not from a singular country or region. Heck, kids from Calgary have joined up with ISIS. Its more widespread than just being something that resonates from one particular political struggle in one particular area. What do ISIS and Boko Haram have in common politically?

I think to ignore the phenomenon is irresponsible. How many terrorists need to state that they are acting on behalf of their religion before people believe them? ISIS is telling you what they are doing and why.

To say there is no link to the religion is nonsense. There is clearly a significant driver in the religous doctrine that certain people are taking at face value and using as a means to perpetuate terrible acts. Thankfully, as has been stated, its a minority. But its not an insignificant minority. You don't take over parts of countries without a swell of support.

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Is that not the same thing that Canadians do when they move to Mexico? Live in predominantly ex-pat communities?

They probably thing something along the lines of ... Oye gringo, deje de recluirse mismos e integrarse en la sociedad mexicana.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

My rationale is simple. If there is a god, either he sees all of the unjust suffering in the world (child starvation, illness, abuse, etc) but can't do anything about it, meaning he is not all powerful and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Or he sees all of that suffering, has the power to stop it but doesn't, meaning he is uncaring and shouldn't be deserving of worship

There really is no reason to believe in god when you see the kind of world that so many innocent people are forced to live in

For fun go watch Kirk Cameron's "Unstoppable" on Netflix on the topic of suffering and why God doesn't intervene. The biggest steaming pile of bantha poodoo you could ever see, but remarkable realizing that so many think like he does.