TSN’s Bob MacKenzie says Craig MacTavish’s bold move could be trading 1st pick

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How can they just "release" him? Why didn't Montreal and NYR do that with the players they just bought out, then?

Based on the next sentence, I think he meant they would waive him.

Which would be a brilliant move. "We can't get what we want for Luongo, so we'll just get nothing for him instead."

[d_phaneuf]

I don't think they go after Iginla but for arguments sake

Sedin/Sedin/Kesler/Burrows/Higgins/Hansen/Kassian

27m

Edler/Hamhuis/Bieksa/Garrison

18.7

Schnieder

4

total

49.7 leaving 14.3 to fill 6 forwards, 3 d, and a goalie

add in likely salaries and ELC contracts

Tanev 1.2
Corrado 0.6
7th d man 0.8
backup goalie 1.0

so now we have 53.3, leaving 10.7m

I assume the 4th line will be similar to this years with guys like Wiese/Pinnazato/Lapierre/Sestito

so 4 x 0.6 is 2.4

55.7 leaving 8.3m to sign 3 forwards

Add in Jensen on an 0.8 ELC and now 7.5 to sign 2 forwards

obviously that assumes Ballard/Booth/Luongo leave with no salary commitments coming back but it's not unfathomable that happens

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by moon

Seems like he is talking about waivers if you read the next sentence and I believe that Montreal and NYR tried that with no takers. If Luongo is on waivers there would be takers.

yep that's what I meant, I don't think it comes to that but buying out that contract makes no sense

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How can they just "release" him? Why didn't Montreal and NYR do that with the players they just bought out, then?

a player can technically be released, but it requires the player to breach their contract. If the Canucks waived Luongo and demoted him (which they can because he has a NTC and not a NMC), then Luongo refused to report, at that point the Canucks could void the contract.

Redden was obviously willing to report to the AHL so the Rangers had no grounds to void the contract. I think Gomez too would report, so the Habs wouldn't be able to either.

Luongo however I think would refuse to report.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

Seems like he is talking about waivers if you read the next sentence and I believe that Montreal and NYR tried that with no takers. If Luongo is on waivers there would be takers.

Thought i would open this can of worms for ***** and giggles:

If Luongo is put on waivers do you think the flames should put in a claim?

I would rather the flames do a slow and proper rebuild but i doubt they do that. If they are going to cut corners and rush it, they might as well pick up a #1 in Luongo. Brossoit and Gillies are 3-5 years away from being starters.

Granted i think Florida would jump at the chance before it got to the flames.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

yep that's what I meant, I don't think it comes to that but buying out that contract makes no sense

I honestly don't think anyone would take Luongo off of waivers. There are other goalies available that are as good, and don't come with a $5.3 million cap hit until 2022.

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Thought i would open this can of worms for ***** and giggles:

If Luongo is put on waivers do you think the flames should put in a claim?

I would rather the flames do a slow and proper rebuild but i doubt they do that. If they are going to cut corners and rush it, they might as well pick up a #1 in Luongo. Brossoit and Gillies are 3-5 years away from being starters.

Granted i think Florida would jump at the chance before it got to the flames.

No they should not.

Signing Luongo would just mask issues with this team and put them in the same 8th-12th boat we have been in the last 3-4 years and stunt the rebuild that would be needed once he retires/falls off in play.

Signing Luongo would just be another extension of maintaining the mediocrity that has been holding this team back lately.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I honestly don't think anyone would take Luongo off of waivers. There are other goalies available that are as good, and don't come with a $5.3 million cap hit until 2022.

which ones?

because Jimmy Howard who is nowhere near as good is signed for the same dollar amount until 2020 I believe

his cap hit is a value for his talent, and with the way the CBA works now there's no punishment to a new team if he retires early, and those last few seasons he could easily be traded to a cap floor team because his salary is below 3m

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I don't think they go after Iginla but for arguments sake

Sedin/Sedin/Kesler/Burrows/Higgins/Hansen/Kassian

27m

Edler/Hamhuis/Bieksa/Garrison

18.7

Schnieder

4

total

49.7 leaving 14.3 to fill 6 forwards, 3 d, and a goalie

add in likely salaries and ELC contracts

Tanev 1.2
Corrado 0.6
7th d man 0.8
backup goalie 1.0

so now we have 53.3, leaving 10.7m

I assume the 4th line will be similar to this years with guys like Wiese/Pinnazato/Lapierre/Sestito

so 4 x 0.6 is 2.4

55.7 leaving 8.3m to sign 3 forwards

Add in Jensen on an 0.8 ELC and now 7.5 to sign 2 forwards

obviously that assumes Ballard/Booth/Luongo leave with no salary commitments coming back but it's not unfathomable that happens

Basically the same math as mine. Best case scenario, the Canucks will have less depth than last year in all positions, on a team that has already started its downward trend. Why would Iggy want to sign there?

[moon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I honestly don't think anyone would take Luongo off of waivers. There are other goalies available that are as good, and don't come with a $5.3 million cap hit until 2022.

Which goalies are as good and available?

If teams wouldn't take Luongo on waivers then there are a lot of terrible GM's out there that are doing a piss poor job of managing their teams.

Luongo is an upgrade on at least 15 teams goalies right now and at least 5-6 of those teams make sense to grab him even with the big ticket.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by moon

Which goalies are as good and available?

If teams wouldn't take Luongo on waivers then there are a lot of terrible GM's out there that are doing a piss poor job of managing their teams.

Luongo is an upgrade on at least 15 teams goalies right now and at least 5-6 of those teams make sense to grab him even with the big ticket.

The thing is, any team that takes Luongo is pretty much setting themselves to have to buy him out or bury him in the minors before the deal is up. He might be OK for a few more years, but not until he is 42.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Basically the same math as mine. Best case scenario, the Canucks will have less depth than last year in all positions, on a team that has already started its downward trend. Why would Iggy want to sign there?

that roster is really only losing Raymond, Booth (injured all year), and some 6th d men

and they would still have 7-8m to sign 2 forwards

how is it worse than this years?

from an aging standpoint I could at least understand an argument, but not a depth one

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

which ones?

because Jimmy Howard who is nowhere near as good is signed for the same dollar amount until 2020 I believe

his cap hit is a value for his talent, and with the way the CBA works now there's no punishment to a new team if he retires early, and those last few seasons he could easily be traded to a cap floor team because his salary is below 3m

For UFAs: Mike Smith, Ray Emery, Backstrom.

Trades will be available where the acquistion cost will be more palletable than Luongo's term.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

that roster is really only losing Raymond (who they can clearly re-sign in that scenario along with another 3-4m dollar forward), Booth (injured all year), and some 6th d men

how is it worse than this years?

from an aging standpoint I could at least understand an argument, but not a depth one

Getting rid of players and putting in lesser players to fill the holes? Players aging? No booth and Ballard - even if they aren't living up to contracts they are still depth. Lesser quality backup goalie?

[moon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

For UFAs: Mike Smith, Ray Emery, Backstrom.

Trades will be available where the acquistion cost will be more palletable than Luongo's term.

Emery isn't close to as good, Smith has questions about what he can/has done without Phoenix system in front of him and Backstrom at this point is not as good.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

No they should not.

Signing Luongo would just mask issues with this team and put them in the same 8th-12th boat we have been in the last 3-4 years and stunt the rebuild that would be needed once he retires/falls off in play.

Signing Luongo would just be another extension of maintaining the mediocrity that has been holding this team back lately.

I agree with everything you posted. I personally don't see the flames having the patience to do a proper rebuild. I could see the flames going with Ramo this year but if he fails, i don't see them waiting 3-4 years for Gillies ect. to be ready for the starting job. More than likely i see them going after a #1 goaltender with picks or prospects next summer.

So basically are they better off taking Luongo for free this year or trading picks and prospects for a goaltender next year?

My answer is hope to god that Ramo can be somewhat competent in net for the next 3-4 years. I really don't have much faith on the 2 "best goaltenders outside the NHL".

[moon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing is, any team that takes Luongo is pretty much setting themselves to have to buy him out or bury him in the minors before the deal is up. He might be OK for a few more years, but not until he is 42.

Or have him retire when the real dollars drop down and he doesn't have a desire to keep going at 37+.

Also for teams like Florida, NYI, Phoenix, TB, NJ who all should have interest in him cap hit shouldn't really matter that much as they are doubtful to ever be close to top of the cap.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing is, any team that takes Luongo is pretty much setting themselves to have to buy him out or bury him in the minors before the deal is up. He might be OK for a few more years, but not until he is 42.

I doubt he plays until he is 42. If he plays until he is 40 i see no reason why a team would buy him out. Loungo is still a very good goalie and has many years left in him.

[foshizzle11]

What about a Canucks trade at the draft? One my close friends is a mega Canucks fan and that's is prediction. He won't get a great return (no blue chip prospects) but better than nothing! Makes sense and creates space for the cap for signings in the summer. Although I hope they get screwed and have to keep him.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

What about a Canucks trade at the draft? One my close friends is a mega Canucks fan and that's is prediction. He won't get a great return (no blue chip prospects) but better than nothing! Makes sense and creates space for the cap for signings in the summer. Although I hope they get screwed and have to keep him.

that's what most people seem to think happens

these contracts have been moved in the past and it was at the draft