Offseason - strategy of exploiting teams in cap trouble

[Enoch Root]

did it say the rule going forward? because I can't remember what that is

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

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Not worth 4M this year and definitely not worth 4M / year for the next 4 years.

We are miles from the cap, who cares if he is overpaid? It may as well be monopoly money as far as you or I am concerned. Maybe in the last year of his deal we might be nearing the cap, but even that is unlikely.

If we have to overpay a few UFA to keep us from crushing our rookies with 1st line duty than so be it, it does not negatively impact the club at the cap level.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This team will be a cap team... has been over the cap for most of the time since 2006-07 years with players hidden in minors , The cap is going down 6M why do you think it will not be a cap team next year?

We have to add sooo much salary to be even close to the cap, we'd have to sign every UFA out there and overpay to boot.

[Burner]

according to Capgeek - we have 16 players signed for a total of 44M so lots of room to spend but already at the floor..

[Jason14h]

according to Capgeek - we have 16 players signed for a total of 44M so lots of room to spend but already at the floor..

A lot depends if Kipper comes back or not

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Burner

according to Capgeek - we have 16 players signed for a total of 44M so lots of room to spend but already at the floor..

Sure seems more and more likely that Kipper might retire though.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

did it say the rule going forward? because I can't remember what that is

Couldn't find the rule going forward.

[Enoch Root]

I believe they are continuing with the $16m rule (after next year) but not 100% certain

[Ashasx]

Dreger said today that Tyler Bozak will be asking for over $5M AAV this off-season.

His career high in points is 47, playing between two point per game wingers last season.

I really hope Feaster isn't the one who'll make that mistake.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Dreger said today that Tyler Bozak will be asking for over $5M AAV this off-season.

His career high in points is 47, playing between two point per game wingers last season.

I really hope Feaster isn't the one who'll make that mistake.

- pre-apex player;
- big centre who can win face offs and fills a major need here;
- zero transaction cost, easy for Feaster relative to trade;
- former college guy.

Looks like the perfect match for the Flames. If they could lose Tanguay, I'd be okay with giving Bozak $5 mill per year on a two year deal only because its not my money and there's plenty of cap space. At least the kid is trending up and not down.

[Ashasx]

It looks more to me like he's been treading water these last few seasons.

And trading Tanguay will be be easy this off-season. Few teams can take his salary.

[Calgary '89]

I don't see the point in going after RFA's this season, sounds more like something Toronto should do as they're now on the upswing. The Flames are not.

If anything, it makes sense to help teams get out of cap problems by taking on a bad contract or 2 in exchange for additional picks in this years draft. Calgary currently has 9 picks in the upcoming draft. 10 to 12 is probably ideal for a team short on prospects and assets.

Timonen has 1 year at $6M left on his contract, Heatley has 1 year at $7.5M. That amount of cap space can fill 3 or 4 roster spots for these teams, that should be worth a draft pick or 2 to Philly and Minnesota.

[Vox]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I wonder if any team will sign a player this upcoming offseason with the plan to compliance buyout them the following summer as kind of a way to get around the cap.

An example is Richards. What if he gets bought out and then a team in cap trouble like Philly signs him to a 7-year deal at $1 million per year with the (wink wink) understanding that we will buy you out the next summer?

Conversely (and this may have been covered by I couldn't find it anywhere), could a team buy out their own expensive contracts and immediately re-sign the player at a discount. For instance, could Vancouver buy out the Sedin's $6M contracts for 2/3 ($4M) and re-sign them for $2M each. They make the same amount of money, and Vancouver shaves 2x$4M off their cap hit. Or for longer term relief buy out Edler at 2/3 of his $5M multiyear contract, and re-sign him at 1/3. They would save $3.3M per year for the duration of his contract.

Is there any rule against re-signing your own bought out player? If there is not, I could see a lot of the richer teams buying out longer term contracts on the understanding the player re-signs immediately. I've been wondering this for a while.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Vox

Conversely (and this may have been covered by I couldn't find it anywhere), could a team buy out their own expensive contracts and immediately re-sign the player at a discount. For instance, could Vancouver buy out the Sedin's $6M contracts for 2/3 ($4M) and re-sign them for $2M each. They make the same amount of money, and Vancouver shaves 2x$4M off their cap hit. Or for longer term relief buy out Edler at 2/3 of his $5M multiyear contract, and re-sign him at 1/3. They would save $3.3M per year for the duration of his contract.

Is there any rule against re-signing your own bought out player? If there is not, I could see a lot of the richer teams buying out longer term contracts on the understanding the player re-signs immediately. I've been wondering this for a while.

Off the top of my head - I think I heard you have to wait a full year??

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Burner

Off the top of my head - I think I heard you have to wait a full year??

That is correct I believe

[Vox]

Originally Posted by Burner

Off the top of my head - I think I heard you have to wait a full year??

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That is correct I believe

Thanks. I suspected as much, but couldn't find the exact details of the CBA. Not as good a sleuth as some of the others.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Calgary '89

Heatley has 1 year at $7.5M. That amount of cap space can fill 3 or 4 roster spots for these teams, that should be worth a draft pick or 2 to Minnesota.

Heatley's salary is only 5M so they could buy him out for 3.33M over 2 years without needing to give up anything. Might still be worth it to give up a pick or two though.

But, I would love to see Cammalleri moved with the Flames keeping 3M, and get Heatley from the Wild at 4M salary. Wouldn't cost the Flames in any salary, they'd still be paying 7M.

Cammalleri at ~3.5M cap space (4M salary) to a contending team for their 1st or something.
Heatley to Calgary for 6M cap space (4M salary) for free or a late pick going Calgary's way if they are desperate. Wild save 2.33M in salary instead of buying him out and still get enough cap space to re-sign/replace everyone.

Gives Heatley the absolute best chance at reclaiming his top line sniper status having Tanguay feeding him the puck on the first unit PP and hopefully he can be flipped again for another pick at the deadline.

[Calgary '89]

Agreed. The Flames are in the enviable position of being able to blatantly collect assets for the next 2-3 years. I'd even go after Jagr on a 1 year $4.5M contract just cause you know he'll be a good influence on the kids and land you some prospects/picks at the deadline.

Let's hope ownership is on board with that mentality.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by Calgary '89

I don't see the point in going after RFA's this season, sounds more like something Toronto should do as they're now on the upswing. The Flames are not.

If anything, it makes sense to help teams get out of cap problems by taking on a bad contract or 2 in exchange for additional picks in this years draft. Calgary currently has 9 picks in the upcoming draft. 10 to 12 is probably ideal for a team short on prospects and assets.

Timonen has 1 year at $6M left on his contract, Heatley has 1 year at $7.5M. That amount of cap space can fill 3 or 4 roster spots for these teams, that should be worth a draft pick or 2 to Philly and Minnesota.

The 'one year left' on Timonen's contract was an 1-year extension with a NMC he signed this season. He's in the Flyers plans for next season and is not going anywhere.

[Stay Golden]

The offseason strategy of exploiting teams in cap trouble seems like a real long shot like 100 -1 kind of thinking to me.
Did Feaster actually make this comment or is this media/fan generated?
If Feaster did say this he would have been better advised to keep his mouth quiet on this one. It rings we really don't have a solid plan beyond drafting.

Personally Feaster should just address that with...GM's will be managing their team cap space according in this upcoming of season If a rare opportunity came up that made sense to the Calgary Flames we would listen.