Will you cancel your season tickets because of the "Rebuild?"

[Reggie28]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I think there will be a good number of people who give up their seats, especially if they've had them for a while. You can get tired of season tix really quickly I think and it doesn't help to go through the season the Flames are having. That being said I'm going to look at getting some for next year (as long as Feaster doesn't eff up the draft), now that my broke student days are behind me. If we do this draft right we could have a team that's at least fun to watch play and grow.

Hey if you are looking to take a share in a pair PM me. Sec 211.

[Reggie28]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

In my case, individual games or multiple games. I offered two people the opportunity to take all Sun-Wed games as I knew I couldn't make any of them. The others, for when I was out of town I either gave away or sold for a pittance.

Of course I'll retain the rights in that circumstance - I'm taking the risk on the entire season's purchase.

If you're talking about purchasing an entire season (or more) then that is a different story. Ticket rights are not transferable to third parties other than immediate family. OTOH there is nothing to prevent a contractual arrangement between a STH and someone - it's just that the original STH has to stay in place. Or the parties need to get married.

You can't transfer but you can list a second name on the season ticket account. That person will have some rights, but the primary holder has full control of the account. As it was put to me, the flames will handle a transfer request on a "case by case basis", but nothing is guaranteed. If you have been splitting seasons with a friend for a number of years and listed as the secondary holder, a transfer may be approved.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

I'd keep my tickets just cause my chances of getting more "We're Sorry" $10 concession vouchers will likely go up over the next few seasons.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Haven't the Flames raised prices close to every season for the last few years? That's what I find amazing and illuminating into their business acumen. They plateaued and declined and continued to raise prices. Way to read the tea leaves fellas. I feel like this organization in actuality does not much for fans to be honest. And why are fans shelling out such huge dollars? Because some ass player needs 4 million? Meanwhile in Anaheim it cost me $17 to get in the building... Which team is providing a better product? The Honda center is the ritz Carlton compared to the saddledome.

The Flames appear greedy and self grandizing. There is an arrogance around this franchise I don't like.

The Flames are charging what the consumer will pay. Anahiem might be charging $17 because they have troubling attracting fans to the game. As a consumer you have choice and like me I don't go to games as I don't think there is value there for the dollars being shelled out.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Dion

The Flames are charging what the consumer will pay. Anahiem might be charging $17 because they have troubling attracting fans to the game. As a consumer you have choice and like me I don't go to games as I don't think there is value there for the dollars being shelled out.

But raising the price year in year out(while it may be most profitable now) does cause a bad rapport to be built between your average fan and the Flames. The Dome is already becoming less filled(in terms of people who use their seats) and when the time comes for them to re-up a lot probably won't. I mean, here at CP there's a decent amount of people saying they won't re-up and they love the Flames so much that they'll devote some of their day to an online forum!

Had they recognized/acknowledged the deteriorating product earlier, and not tried to skin fans for all their worth, I'd suggest that they'd see more costumer loyalty, which is crucial for them right now.

The fact is that they were arrogant and somewhat short sighted in their approach to selling tickets(not unlike the hockey ops department) and now will have to suffer a few consequences in the form of less seats being used, and a reduction in season ticket sales(assuming the team sucks for the next ~3 years).

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Dagger

The fact is that they were arrogant and somewhat short sighted in their approach to selling tickets(not unlike the hockey ops department) and now will have to suffer a few consequences in the form of less seats being used, and a reduction in season ticket sales(assuming the team sucks for the next ~3 years).

I'm going to bet that people will hold out for the 2013-14 season and will retain their tix...some might cancel, but I'd guess many will remain. Depending on what happens with the "rebuild"...if it's as sucky as it may be THEN they'll quit.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I'm going to bet that people will hold out for the 2013-14 season and will retain their tix...some might cancel, but I'd guess many will remain. Depending on what happens with the "rebuild"...if it's as sucky as it may be THEN they'll quit.

Yeah, that's what I meant to convey. I'm saying that since they didn't really do themselves any favours with the fans over the past 2 or 3 years, it's less likely the fans will do them any should the Flames toil near the bottom of the league.

[Kickazzflames]

Im excited for a rebuild, and I definitely would rather keep my tickets than not. But I was barely able to convince myself that this years rise in prices was ok. If it raises again.. Its hard to nearly impossible for me to justify.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Dagger

But raising the price year in year out(while it may be most profitable now) does cause a bad rapport to be built between your average fan and the Flames. The Dome is already becoming less filled(in terms of people who use their seats) and when the time comes for them to re-up a lot probably won't. I mean, here at CP there's a decent amount of people saying they won't re-up and they love the Flames so much that they'll devote some of their day to an online forum!

I can see them raising prices when player salaries were going up and the same for the Cap. Then there's the costs of running a hockey team and all the staff they employ that always seems to go up also. That and they have to raise money to build a new arena.

Those that won't re up will be replaced by those on the Hothouse waiting list. Still we are along ways away from being the team that played in the Dome that was half empty.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Dion

I can see them raising prices when player salaries were going up and the same for the Cap. Then there's the costs of running a hockey team and all the staff they employ that always seems to go up also. That and they have to raise money to build a new arena.

Those that won't re up will be replaced by those on the Hothouse waiting list. Still we are along ways away from being the team that played in the Dome that was half empty.

Well, the Flames shouldn't(no reason for it) be a cap team next year, and my prediction is based on the assumption that many that jumped on the hot house are not going to be different than season ticket holders in not wanting to hold onto 45 games for a few down years. I'm sure many join under the assumption that friends and family will buy/use the tickets but as they hear and see stories of these tickets being hard to get rid of, will they really want to buy seasons? Is it not easier to just buy a game pack(which the Flames are making more of)?

[burn_baby_burn]

I'm sure some season ticket holders are agonizing over renewing or not. However, when push comes to shove I think most will renew. Anytime in the past when we have heard rumblings of people cancelling their season tickets. The amount that actually did were few and far between. The recent lockout is a good example. Wasn't the number of cancelled accounts less than 100 (maybe even less than 50)?

I think the bigger problem for the Flames is single game ticket buyers. They will be the first fans to quit purchasing tickets. Especially when they can get tickets on the secondary market much cheaper than what the Flames are charging through Ticket Master.

[Laner99]

I know most people are saying they wont cancel their season tickets but it sure looks like a lot of people have already stopped going to the games. I was shocked at how many empty seats there were in the Dome for Fridays game against the Yotes. I believe the game still got announced as a sell out so management is still smiling but it sure was interesting to see.

[Erick Estrada]

I sat and watched the game with a few season ticket holders last night and the common theme was that they actually prefer watching the post trade deadline Flames to the team of the last three seasons. Similar results but the young players play much harder with more enthusiasm compared to Jarome & Co. going through the motions of another frustrating, up and down season of failure. I really think most fans are ready and buying in to what's happening.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I don't think we'll have trouble getting tickets anymore

That would be nice, but this team could be good.

[Table 5]

I don't know about you guys, but if this is how the team plays next year, I'm going to increase, not decrease, how many games I go to. I know they won't win most of their games and there will be lots of downturns and times where the kids will struggle... but talk about a breath of fresh air.

The Iginla return? Who cares. The Jbo return? Who cares. The best asset we got for those guys was not a player or a prospect, but the forced impetus to move on and start a new generation. The 1st round picks and prospects were just a nice bonus.

For the last few years, there was a "heaviness" about this team... it's hard to describe, but just a general air of lethargy and quiet doom that just permeated everything. I feel like the last 2 weeks have changed all that. We still suck, and we will probably suck for a while longer, but man, things feel a lot lighter and we finally have something to look forward to. Honestly as much as I loved the guy, but after seeing these young guys playing, the Iginla era feels like it was years ago.

What a crazy up and down season of hockey! Can't wait for 13/14.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I don't know about you guys, but if this is how the team plays next year, I'm going to increase, not decrease, how many games I go to. I know they won't win most of their games and there will be lots of downturns and times where the kids will struggle... but talk about a breath of fresh air.

What a crazy up and down season of hockey! Can't wait for 13/14.

This is what Edmonton was saying 3 years ago ^. They've had better draft position than we will have and I don't see much in the way of improvement. It's too easy to blame management there, what has management here shown us?

I am happy Iginla has moved on, has a chance at a cup, I am utterly disgusted with our drafting record that in the last 15 years, we basically have nothing to show from a Draft Day outside Dion, who was dealt for 30+ year old vets.

It's great to see the kids playing loose, but thats with the other team putting their #2 in net and looking past us night in and out.

I really hope there is some intellectual honesty about us drafting 4th,5th,6th vs. 1st, 2nd, 3rd. We have to right 15 years of wrong in 1 upcoming draft and we need 2 out of those 3 picks to be future NHL'ers.

[Resolute 14]

I've noticed that the people who most use the words "intellectual honesty" usually display neither.

[burn_baby_burn]

It was definitely a different vibe in the Dome on Friday night. Not sure if it's that people don't care cause the games don't mean anything. Or that there isn't a star player to root for. Really reminded me of a game atmosphere before Daryl Sutter became the head coach.

[Sec218]

I have a pair in Greens and a pair in Blacks. I was also able to add a 4 seat game pack this season. I'll only be renewing one pair and the game pack for next season. It has become way to difficult to sell seats at face value or even cost.

I'm wondering what the Flames rational is with sending out the renewals so late this year?

[Laner99]

Originally Posted by Sec218

I'm wondering what the Flames rational is with sending out the renewals so late this year?

They are probably waiting because they figure this team they are putting on the ice will lose out and people will want to renew once they see we were awarded a top 3 pick. That's my guess.