How much longer do you think the Oilers will be this bad for?

[moon]

Originally Posted by $ven27

The Oilers could've made this rebuild better if they chose players with some balance instead of going for with all forwards.

IMO this would have set them up better if they were smart:

Eberle - Seguin - Yakupov/xxxx

Galchenyuk/xxxx

Larsson - Schultz

How are they getting Galchenyuk and Yakupov?

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by moon

How are they getting Galchenyuk and Yakupov?

They don't, that's why I put x's as an alternative option. If they were to take Galchenyuk, then someone else would take Yakupov's spot, and vise versa.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by $ven27

The Oilers could've made this rebuild better if they chose players with some balance instead of going for with all forwards.

IMO this would have set them up better if they were smart:

Eberle - Seguin - Yakupov/xxxx

Galchenyuk/xxxx

Larsson - Schultz

I take RNH over Larsson everyday of the week....

[moon]

Originally Posted by $ven27

They don't, that's why I put x's as an alternative option. If they were to take Galchenyuk, then someone else would take Yakupov's spot, and vise versa.

Okay.

Thought the XXX were for a Gagner or Hemsky or something like that.

I think that "picked the wrong guy" thing is a bit overrated. Hall is looking good now and if he was on Boston and Seguin in Edm I don't think it would be a question that Hall was best.

RNH, maybe better to take Landeskog there but it was pretty much RNH as concensus #1.

The only one I would change is Yakupov for Murray but with Murray injured now it doesn't change much for the Oilers.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by moon

Okay.

Thought the XXX were for a Gagner or Hemsky or something like that.

I think that "picked the wrong guy" thing is a bit overrated. Hall is looking good now and if he was on Boston and Seguin in Edm I don't think it would be a question that Hall was best.

RNH, maybe better to take Landeskog there but it was pretty much RNH as concensus #1.

The only one I would change is Yakupov for Murray but with Murray injured now it doesn't change much for the Oilers.

Yeah, maybe so. However my main point is they didn't really balance it out well enough. IMO they should have taken either Larsson or Murray, it's like they're trying to recreate their 80's magic.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by TKB

I take RNH over Larsson everyday of the week....

I would take Landeskog or Huberdeau every day off the week over the young talented "man" with a woman's body structure.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Red John

Pretty sure he predicted a playoff spot at the beginning of the year. And finishing ahead of the Flames.

Now it's just a "hope" that it isn't bottom 3.

The annual cycle of an Oilers fan. Only took six weeks this time. Thank you lockout!

I can't be batting 300 each time up...

[GGG]

Originally Posted by stang

Pittsburg wasn't winning after 3 years like I've pointed out.

They missed the playoffs 4 years in a row. They were winning 3 years after Fleury. Drafted Fluery in the 03 draft made playoffs in 06 - 07 in year 2 of Malkins and Crosby's ELC seems to me that pittsburgh did have success in year 3

Dubnyk drafted 04
Hall drafted 2010
Eberle drafted 2009

If you were following the pittsburgh plan you would be in the playoffs this year. Both chicago and pittsburgh had falloffs as the ELCs expired so I think the next two years are more of the same

[Matty81]

The last draft was really deep on D men - I don't ever remember 8 of the top 10 picks being defencemen, yet despite their desperate need somehow the Oilers draft another waterbug forward who doesn't backcheck. I understand the principle of taking the best player available but wonder if they'd take the rumored trade down and rather have Reinhart and a decent asset than Yakupov in retrospect.

I know how ridiculously early and he's young but he looks like the worst of their 1st overall picks to me by a good margin. Very one dimensional player who scores a flamboyant goal every 5 or 6 games and doesn't backcheck or answer the bell physically the other 80% of the time.

Oh well, looks like they'll get another shot at a top 3 pick this year. Add Seth Jones into the mix and all they need is 4 more dmen, a goalie and a handful of forwards with some sandpaper.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Matty81

The last draft was really deep on D men - I don't ever remember 8 of the top 10 picks being defencemen, yet despite their desperate need somehow the Oilers draft another waterbug forward who doesn't backcheck. I understand the principle of taking the best player available but wonder if they'd take the rumored trade down and rather have Reinhart and a decent asset than Yakupov in retrospect.

I know how ridiculously early and he's young but he looks like the worst of their 1st overall picks to me by a good margin. Very one dimensional player who scores a flamboyant goal every 5 or 6 games and doesn't backcheck or answer the bell physically the other 80% of the time.

Oh well, looks like they'll get another shot at a top 3 pick this year. Add Seth Jones into the mix and all they need is 4 more dmen, a goalie and a handful of forwards with some sandpaper.

Sooooo.... 10 more first overall picks?

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

As long as Kevin Lowe is involved in that organization, this will be the norm.

Been saying this for years. Until they take away Lowe's keys to the building altogether they're not going anywhere.

My fear is now that MacTavish is back with the organization he's next in line for the GM's chair. And as much as I like him as an interview, and history has shown he got the most he could out of the collection of players he had as a coach, the time to wipe away the stink of the old boys club has long since passed. Take Buchberger and Smith with you on the way out and hire the right people for the job. Period.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by stang

Pittsburg wasn't winning after 3 years like I've pointed out.

The Oilers weren't winning after three years either. That was just to out a time after they got their franchise player first overall. The Oilers are going on 7 years without a post season.

[burn_baby_burn]

The Oilers don't need to win. Pro hockey is a business and business is booming in Edmonton. Until the consumer stops buying tickets and merchandice for this team nothing will change. All Lowe has to do is point to the bottom line. From a personal point of view, I don't think I have ever seen the Oilers so popular. Fans are more proud and pumped for this organization than they have been in years. Whatever ownership and management are doing is working cause this team is sold out everynight and probably is near the top in the league for merchandice sold. They must put something in the water in Edmonton. Or they have the dumbest fans in professional sports.

[Azure]

Been mentioned here, but I think always drafting the best player available, or the player they thought was the best is a stupid strategy.

If you want to bring up the Flames, fine. Most people here agree that it should be blown up. Everyone on the CBC panel last night on HNIC said it should be blown up.

Are people saying the same thing about Oilers management? Not really, which is exactly the problem.

Their first round picks simply aren't that good of players. RNH is the biggest floater in the league right now. Trying to do everything with 'skill.'

For someone that was a clear #1 pick, he sure is horrible.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

The Oilers don't need to win. Pro hockey is a business and business is booming in Edmonton. Until the consumer stops buying tickets and merchandice for this team nothing will change. All Lowe has to do is point to the bottom line. From a personal point of view, I don't think I have ever seen the Oilers so popular. Fans are more proud and pumped for this organization than they have been in years. Whatever ownership and management are doing is working cause this team is sold out everynight and probably is near the top in the league for merchandice sold. They must put something in the water in Edmonton. Or they have the dumbest fans in professional sports.

With all due respect to Oiler fans which is very little, I think we can state that they rank among the dumbest fans in Hockey. This is a team that has been constantly terrible since the Stanley Cup run. They are run by an incompetent management team, coached by a nose picker, owned by a idiot. They are a mess on the ice, and I don't care what they say, they have pretty much been in rebuild mode since Pronger told them to get stuffed.

Yet they continue to believe the propaganda hype issued by the team as does the dumbest set of media people in hockey that this team is going somewhere.

I laugh at the year after year hype and the buy in that they're building something special up there. They aren't building anything special up there. If not for some very good goaltending this year, the Oilers are a 3 or 4 win team.

The media and fans should be angry and or laughing at the Flames for not starting to swing assets to change the dynamic of the team. But the fact that anyone thinks that Lowe and moron have stumbled onto any genius strategy is laughable at best. If any team needs to be blown up its Edmonton from the top down.

Its going to be angry to see Edmonton playing a Hawks team today that is coming off of their first regular time loss this year.

The Flames might be bad, the Oilers are worse and will be for a long time.

In the words of Pennywise the Clown "we all float down here"

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Azure

Been mentioned here, but I think always drafting the best player available, or the player they thought was the best is a stupid strategy.

If you want to bring up the Flames, fine. Most people here agree that it should be blown up. Everyone on the CBC panel last night on HNIC said it should be blown up. ...

RNH is the biggest floater in the league right now. Trying to do everything with 'skill.'

For someone that was a clear #1 pick, he sure is horrible.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

With all due respect to Oiler fans which is very little, I think we can state that they rank among the dumbest fans in Hockey. This is a team that has been constantly terrible since the Stanley Cup run. They are run by an incompetent management team, coached by a nose picker, owned by a idiot. They are a mess on the ice, and I don't care what they say, they have pretty much been in rebuild mode since Pronger told them to get stuffed.

Yet they continue to believe the propaganda hype issued by the team as does the dumbest set of media people in hockey that this team is going somewhere.

I laugh at the year after year hype and the buy in that they're building something special up there. They aren't building anything special up there. If not for some very good goaltending this year, the Oilers are a 3 or 4 win team.

The media and fans should be angry and or laughing at the Flames for not starting to swing assets to change the dynamic of the team. But the fact that anyone thinks that Lowe and moron have stumbled onto any genius strategy is laughable at best. If any team needs to be blown up its Edmonton from the top down.

Its going to be angry to see Edmonton playing a Hawks team today that is coming off of their first regular time loss this year.

The Flames might be bad, the Oilers are worse and will be for a long time.

In the words of Pennywise the Clown "we all float down here"

Wow boys, rather skewed and bias view of your team and the Oilers.
If Edmonton fans are dumb, then the Flames fans must be in a comatose state or lobotomized. Most Flames fans seemed to accept that former Sutter and now Feaster were and are doing fantastic to assembled a team of 2nd and third liners who are way-over agers and making the playoffs (and contend). The team is continually having one of the highest numbers of NTC and NMC signed.

Their owners love Kipper and Iggy so much that they have become Miss Havisham who was left at the alter wishing and hoping that one day, they will unite under Lord Stanley while never letting them go as their values diminshed each year.

The media are the ones doing the hyping because it attracts interests and apparently you guys ate it up. The Oilers are trying to appease their fans while maintaining that they are going through some tough growing pains and most likely staying the course.

You have a terrible assessment of RNH and truly incorrect. He plays both ends of the ice and an unbelievable passer. He is very talented player and has a great hockey IQ and vision. He is going through some tough stretches this year.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Azure

Been mentioned here, but I think always drafting the best player available, or the player they thought was the best is a stupid strategy.

If you want to bring up the Flames, fine. Most people here agree that it should be blown up. Everyone on the CBC panel last night on HNIC said it should be blown up.

Are people saying the same thing about Oilers management? Not really, which is exactly the problem.

Their first round picks simply aren't that good of players. RNH is the biggest floater in the league right now. Trying to do everything with 'skill.'

For someone that was a clear #1 pick, he sure is horrible.

I think you are completely off base on Hokpins, he will never be a big body who can physically dominate but he is really good in his own end positionally. Not a Selke winner but someone who at 19 can be thrown out and won't be a liability on the ice.

He is still a very young player who is going through a sophomore slump - he is going to be a heck of a player though.

[neo45]

In defense of the Oilers (I'm sorry)...

The Yakupov pick is the only one that I think was really bad, and even then I can see why they didn't take Murray or Galchenyuk. Murray hasn't been consistent and has had injury problems, and Galchenyuk was injured for his entire draft year. They may seem like better options now, but at the draft a GM would have needed balls of steal to take Galchenyuk at #1. I think they should have moved that pick instead of taking Yakupov, who has looked like crap every time I have seen him touch the puck.

RNH is really struggling this year but I still think he will be one of the better players from that draft. Landeskog is the better player right now but he was by far the "most NHL ready" prospect from that draft so it isn't surprising that he is out-performing RNH. Time will tell who is the best player from that draft, but right now Landeskog and Huberdeau are clearly better players than RNH this year.

Seguin vs Hall is a wash so far IMO. Hall plays on a crappy line on a crappy team, where as Seguin has one of the best supporting staffs in the whole league. He also plays on a dominant line. The two of them still put up pretty similar numbers.

The problem the Oilers have is that their management is terrible beyond drafting #1. Pajaarvi looks like a total bust, they took Mitch Moroz with what was basically a first round pick (seriously), and the haven't shown any ability to improve the on ice product. The only pick of theirs that looks any good is Klefblom, who could be solid. They have shown zero interest or ability to improve the Oilers defense and goaltending.

How long will the Oilers be bad for? I would say 5+ years unless management changes happen

[Red John]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Wow boys, rather skewed and bias view of your team and the Oilers.
If Edmonton fans are dumb, then the Flames fans must be in a comatose state or lobotomized. Most Flames fans seemed to accept that former Sutter and now Feaster were and are doing fantastic to assembled a team of 2nd and third liners who are way-over agers and making the playoffs (and contend).

Their owners love Kipper and Iggy so much...blah blah

No they don't. Most Flames fans don't agree with ownerships direction and haven't for a while.

Flames and Oilers fans are polar opposites. Flames fans are almost overly critical of their team and overreact to losses.

Oilers fans buy their managements hype each year despite being the laughingstock of the NHL.

Neither option is great but one is definitely better than the other.

[PlayfulGenius]

Oilers are a joke for sure...but anyone suggesting RNH is terrible is a fool... He's a great positional player (at both ends) and will likely turn out to be a ppg player, at least.

Whether he turns out better than other players in his draft year, I have no idea...but he'll be a strong player for the Oilers in coming years.