Pet Peeves

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 07:31 PM
Nowhere have I said that I wanted more money. What do I want? A reasonable tax rate and my hard earned tax money to go to something better than people who sit on their asses. Thats all. You are making very broad sweeping generalizations about me as a PERSON.

Funny that you mention "broad sweeping generalizations" in the same paragraph where you talk about people on welfare as "sitting on their asses".

This all started because of that generalization. One which you obviously think has merit. I'm not sure how you can justify it though. Have you met everyone on welfare? What made you decide that "most" people on welfare are alcoholics and free loaders?

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 12:25 PM
How am I a hypocrite? I contribute, people who milk the system do not. I am not bitching about my mortgage one bit. I am happy to pay it every two weeks. Why? Because when I am done, I will own a home.

Don't tax me (the upper-middle class) to the balls when every month when the welfare cheques go out, the first thing is a cab ride to the beer store and a cab ride home.

I have no time for prople who don't contribute to society because in the end, the hard-working people in this world suffer because of them.

I suggest you read some Ayn Rand before you start flinging insults around.

I'm calling you a hypocrite because you have no problem paying the banks your hard-earned dough, but have a major problem paying the government your hard-earned dough. What's the difference?

Banks: in the end you get a house.

Government: you get a standing army (sort of), roads, regulation, organized international blah blah blah, trash pickup, water, cleanliness, all those kinds of things. As far as welfare itself goes, you get to live in clean city with very, VERY few derelicts hassling you on the street for change. Move to Rio maybe, and then tell me you still have a problem with supporting the poor. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that the reason you are so detached and apathetic towards the plight of the poor is because we in Calgary just do not have to deal with that problem.

I think you are making a major miscalculation in assuming that all people on welfare are just lazy drunks. Again, I think this speaks to the ignorance living in such an affluent city generates. Most of the world's poor do not and have never had the opportunity to "make something of themselves" and to "contribute". They lack education and opportunity.

But you don't care. You want a new TV. I understand.

(Hey, I bet those rich bank executives and stockholders have pretty frickin nice TVs. They probably have several. Where's the screaming of injustice here? Again: hypocrite.)


Edit: I see you don't in fact live in Calgary. My mistake. Even across Canada, however, our "poor" are small in number and have a much higher standard of living than the vast majority of the world's poor, thanks to the -- ahem -- generous donations of the kindly Canadian people such as yourself.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 07:34 PM
Again, at no time did I say I wanted to make more money. Hence my revelation of the price of my house and the cars I own.

Money is very far down the list for me.

I'm not sure why you re-stated that since it really had nothing to do with the bulk of my post.

1. You were complaining about supporting people on welfare. You want the money to go to something more beneficial to you and not as beneficial to these people, a lot of which have serious problems that prevent them from being as successful as you are. No, it has nothing to do with wanting more money, but it's still selfish. You want your self interest served and not the interest of these other people. You would rather the money go to something that benefits you more, and these people less. At least that's what I have to assume based on what you're said so far.

2. The price of your house and cars are irrelevant to a discussion about wanting more money anyways. I could own a piece of crap car and yet spend tons and tons of money in other areas and greedily want more and more. How much you spend on your car and your house is a matter of allocation of your current funds. Wanting more funds is a completely different thing.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Five-hole+May 19 2005, 02:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Five-hole @ May 19 2005, 02:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 12:25 PM
How am I a hypocrite? I contribute, people who milk the system do not. I am not bitching about my mortgage one bit. I am happy to pay it every two weeks. Why? Because when I am done, I will own a home.

Don't tax me (the upper-middle class) to the balls when every month when the welfare cheques go out, the first thing is a cab ride to the beer store and a cab ride home.

I have no time for prople who don't contribute to society because in the end, the hard-working people in this world suffer because of them.

I suggest you read some Ayn Rand before you start flinging insults around.

I'm calling you a hypocrite because you have no problem paying the banks your hard-earned dough, but have a major problem paying the government your hard-earned dough. What's the difference?

Banks: in the end you get a house.

Government: you get a standing army (sort of), roads, regulation, organized international blah blah blah, trash pickup, water, cleanliness, all those kinds of things. As far as welfare itself goes, you get to live in clean city with very, VERY few derelicts hassling you on the street for change. Move to Rio maybe, and then tell me you still have a problem with supporting the poor. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that the reason you are so detached and apathetic towards the plight of the poor is because we in Calgary just do not have to deal with that problem.

I think you are making a major miscalculation in assuming that all people on welfare are just lazy drunks. Again, I think this speaks to the ignorance living in such an affluent city generates. Most of the world's poor do not and have never had the opportunity to "make something of themselves" and to "contribute". They lack education and opportunity.

But you don't care. You want a new TV. I understand.

(Hey, I bet those rich bank executives and stockholders have pretty frickin nice TVs. They probably have several. Where's the screaming of injustice here? Again: hypocrite.) [/b][/quote]
How else to you buy a house? Should I save my money until I have all $140,000 to pay up front? Please explain to me a better way to buy a home. I'm interested.

I cannot beleive how you assume I just want more material things. What a great jab. You must know me so well.

I want my tax money, which I am happy to pay to live in Canada, to be better managed so the many many many people who are merely "milking the system" get the boot, get jobs and contribute. You can't tell me you would happily stand outside the beer store with your wallet open as these hard-luck cases line up for 24's.

I want accountability, thats all. Quit attacking me as a person, you don't know me. Not one bit.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher+May 19 2005, 02:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames Draft Watcher @ May 19 2005, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 07:34 PM
Again, at no time did I say I wanted to make more money. Hence my revelation of the price of my house and the cars I own.

Money is very far down the list for me.

I'm not sure why you re-stated that since it really had nothing to do with the bulk of my post.

1. You were complaining about supporting people on welfare. You want the money to go to something more beneficial to you and not as beneficial to these people, a lot of which have serious problems that prevent them from being as successful as you are. No, it has nothing to do with wanting more money, but it's still selfish. You want your self interest served and not the interest of these other people. You would rather the money go to something that benefits you more, and these people less. At least that's what I have to assume based on what you're said so far.

2. The price of your house and cars are irrelevant to a discussion about wanting more money anyways. I could own a piece of crap car and yet spend tons and tons of money in other areas and greedily want more and more. How much you spend on your car and your house is a matter of allocation of your current funds. Wanting more funds is a completely different thing. [/b][/quote]
OK, you're right, I'm wrong.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 01:45 PM
OK, you're right, I'm wrong.

Are you telling me fighting about every single little anal point with FDW isn't enjoyable?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+May 19 2005, 02:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ May 19 2005, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 01:45 PM
OK, you're right, I'm wrong.

Are you telling me fighting about every single little anal point with FDW isn't enjoyable? [/b][/quote]
Good lord the man loves to argue.

I'm tired....zzzzzzzzz.....

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 07:25 PM
How am I a hypocrite? I contribute, people who milk the system do not. I am not bitching about my mortgage one bit. I am happy to pay it every two weeks. Why? Because when I am done, I will own a home.

Don't tax me (the upper-middle class) to the balls when every month when the welfare cheques go out, the first thing is a cab ride to the beer store and a cab ride home.

I have no time for prople who don't contribute to society because in the end, the hard-working people in this world suffer because of them.

Well wouldn't you rather the government ran the banks as a not for profit business so that we didn't have to pay fees and rates could be lower?

You're complaining about a certain segment of society stealing your money while you let another segment (corporations) completely off the hook. Which is kind of funny since you'd think we'd have a bigger problem with rich CEO's and shareholders stealing our money than we would with mentally disabled people, emotionally unstable people, etc. But we're kind of brainwashed about corporations into believing that's the only way it has to be and that they provide a great service for us.

I'd also suggest that most of the hard working people in our society are not "suffering" as you put it as much as a lot of the people on welfare are. Sorry if I don't have as much sympathy for your suffering compared to someone who needs help to function at a basic level in our society.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 07:44 PM
I want accountability, thats all. Quit attacking me as a person, you don't know me. Not one bit.

And you know all the people on welfare? For someone who doesn't want to be attacked as a person you sure do a good job of attacking and generalization a very wide and diverse group of people.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher+May 19 2005, 02:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flames Draft Watcher @ May 19 2005, 02:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 07:44 PM
I want accountability, thats all. Quit attacking me as a person, you don't know me. Not one bit.

And you know all the people on welfare? For someone who doesn't want to be attacked as a person you sure do a good job of attacking and generalization a very wide and diverse group of people. [/b][/quote]
You're very tiring. I will keep my opinions to myself from now on.


HA!

Religion is my biggest pet peeve!! Hate it! Useless! We are all free-thinking sentient beings in control of our own fate!! Atheists unite!!

There. That oughta p*ss people off.

[Five-hole]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 12:44 PM
(snip)
I cannot beleive how you assume I just want more material things. What a great jab. You must know me so well.

I want my tax money, which I am happy to pay to live in Canada, to be better managed so the many many many people who are merely "milking the system" get the boot, get jobs and contribute. You can't tell me you would happily stand outside the beer store with your wallet open as these hard-luck cases line up for 24's.

I want accountability, thats all. Quit attacking me as a person, you don't know me. Not one bit.

Ah, well, as has been hinted at already in this discussion is, all we have to go on is what you post. You're right. I don't know you. Therefore the only things I have to go on in this discussion are what you YOURSELF say (post). So if you post something ill-thought-through like your first post -- since, based on what you've said afterward, it's not all that representative of your TRUE thoughts -- you're going to get jumped on, and you might get jumped on about what you, you know, actually said instead of what's going on inside your head. Sorry, I left my cross-internet mind-reading device at home today.

And if you don't want people responding to what you write, for good or for ill, here's a thought: don't post it on the internet, in a public forum. Maybe just conversing in your head is more your speed? You seem to have trouble conveying what you mean and you seem to have trouble with people disagreeing with it.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher@May 19 2005, 01:50 PM

Well wouldn't you rather the government ran the banks as a not for profit business so that we didn't have to pay fees and rates could be lower?

COMMIE!!!!!

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Five-hole+May 19 2005, 03:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Five-hole @ May 19 2005, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 12:44 PM
(snip)
I cannot beleive how you assume I just want more material things. What a great jab. You must know me so well.

I want my tax money, which I am happy to pay to live in Canada, to be better managed so the many many many people who are merely "milking the system" get the boot, get jobs and contribute. You can't tell me you would happily stand outside the beer store with your wallet open as these hard-luck cases line up for 24's.

I want accountability, thats all. Quit attacking me as a person, you don't know me. Not one bit.

Ah, well, as has been hinted at already in this discussion is, all we have to go on is what you post. You're right. I don't know you. Therefore the only things I have to go on in this discussion are what you YOURSELF say (post). So if you post something ill-thought-through like your first post -- since, based on what you've said afterward, it's not all that representative of your TRUE thoughts -- you're going to get jumped on, and you might get jumped on about what you, you know, actually said instead of what's going on inside your head. Sorry, I left my cross-internet mind-reading device at home today.

And if you don't want people responding to what you write, for good or for ill, here's a thought: don't post it on the internet, in a public forum. Maybe just conversing in your head is more your speed? You seem to have trouble conveying what you mean and you seem to have trouble with people disagreeing with it. [/b][/quote]
Disagree with me all you want. I took offense to personal barbs because of my OPINION. Thats all. I'm really not that upset.

[Bill Bumface]

I'm still waiting for FDW to call out MMF for his generalizing of Asians.

(By the way, that post had me chuckling to myself for several minutes, nicely played).

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Five-hole@May 19 2005, 03:05 PM

Maybe just conversing in your head is more your speed?

See? Thats a personal attack. Not fair. I did not call you an ass or anything close because of your own personal opinion.

I hate people who milk the system, of which there are many. This does not make me greedy/ignorant/dumb all things that were said/implied about me afterwards.

[Five-hole]

Alright, I've got a pet peeve.

People who post things on the internet and then after discussion ensues, they go, that's not what I MEANT, I meant something ELSE. Don't evaluate what I SAID, evaluate what I MEANT. Like, jeez.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Five-hole@May 19 2005, 03:16 PM
Alright, I've got a pet peeve.

People who post things on the internet and then after discussion ensues, they go, that's not what I MEANT, I meant something ELSE. Don't evaluate what I SAID, evaluate what I MEANT. Like, jeez.

HA! Now THAT was funny. Seriously, I see where you're coming from. I'm not stoopid thow.

[Five-hole]

I never said, nor thought, you were stupid.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@May 19 2005, 08:12 PM
I hate people who milk the system, of which there are many. This does not make me greedy/ignorant/dumb all things that were said/implied about me afterwards.

Well I'd say that suggesting that most people on welfare are free loading alcoholics who've chosen to "milk the system" is pretty ignorant but we've already agreed to disagree on that point. You obviously aren't interested in milking the system and neither are most well adjusted, mentally and emotionally stable people who have the tools to make something better of themselves. I'd say to want to make a better life for yourself is a pretty normal thing. Desire and a certain amount of ambition seem to be basic traits in humans.

If you believe that then you have to wonder why these people are on welfare. Perhaps it's because they aren't normal and well adjusted, perhaps they aren't mentally or emotionally stable. Perhaps they need some help to make something better of themselves. Perhaps they are trapped in an addiction and now have a problem getting out. And even if most people on welfare were alcoholics does that mean they are worthless human beings? Should we write them off? Maybe we should just execute them now and save ourselves the trouble? (don't worry, I know you weren't suggesting that by any stretch)

You know there's a good chance we stand a lot closer on this than it would appear. It seems like you believe that handing them money is not the way to go. I believe that as well. If someone is alcoholic then giving them money won't cure the addiction. Our welfare system is dysfunctional and has problems. I guess what we disagree on is the approach. You see it's not working and earlier in this thread you suggested we take it away as the solution. Probably a more ideal solution would be to help these people with whatever unique problem they have that is preventing them from bettering their lives. We need to help the drug and alcohol addicts to break the addiction and change their outlook.

But it's easier said then done. Welfare reform is certainly needed. But I don't think just taking it away is a good idea.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Five-hole@May 19 2005, 03:24 PM
I never said, nor thought, you were stupid.

"Maybe conversing in my head is more my speed" is not calling me stupid? Ooooooookkkk.

But really, I re-read my original post (yes, just now) and I did sound selfish (sort of)

So, apologies to all. Take my tax money and put it the national lottery instead of free-loaders milking the system getting it.