2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He was desperate. He knew he was running after the contract is over. He didn’t care what would happen after. Total fraud.

Agree! Hopefully he destroys the Leafs the same way he did the Flames. Then his daddy can get him another job when they fire him.

[Bingo]

Part of me wondered yesterday if the Francis article was a plant. Either way it seemed to work as Friedman repeated it.

But is it a plant to drive up value?

Or is it a plant to ready the fan base for signing Hanifin?

I like the player so I don't mind keeping him. At his age it's not the same death march as signing 30 year olds to 8 year contracts.

His no move clauses will be interesting to watch though.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Im beginning to be indifferent towards Hanifin, the more I think about it. There’s benefit to keeping a guy who is willing to stay here for an additional 8 years and is a #2/3 D on this team. Has chemistry with Tanev or Andersson. Weegar can definitely be the middle pairing D that helps the likes of Kylington or Poirier down the road if need be. Hanifin can log top pairing minutes, and imo we have NOT seen the best of him yet. I think his next contract is when we see prime Hanifin.

On the other hand it makes too much sense to move on from him as we are with other players. We didn’t win anything with him. He didn’t play well under pressure most of the time. I’d rather gain the cap space and the assets we receive to retool this team a bit and draft more top end prospects that our scouts are good at.

Guess it depends on the return. I think if Conroy isn’t satisfied, Hanifin will be staying a Calgary Flame. At least we can stomach this 8 year deal with his current age.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would much rather sign Hanifin if that keeps the team away from trading for a guy like Paryko.

It's just a really weird timeline with him.

[Poe969]

This team lacks a game breaker. They have some good players, but no one to take a game over. Unless they have a way to get an elite player, those good players are being wasted here.

Hanifin would do really well on a team with elite players, he won't do AS well here but they'll likely have to pay him somewhere in the middle. Paying him more than he's worth to this team is a recipe for failure, they need to find a way to get elite talent, COUGH COUGH draft at the top of the Draft COUGH COUGH.

Trade the good players on this team, get assets, do poorly in the standings because the good players have been traded, draft elite talent with your pick, get good players with the assets from trades.

A team with a lot of good players but without elite players will never be good enough to win or bad enough to get elite players.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I want you to be right, but capfriendly also says lottery protected not top 10. I think we need the Panthers to make the playoffs.

I do agree that Florida missing the playoffs is not the likely scenario, but I don't think them slipping into 17th or 18th place is completely unrealistic. I just wonder if that figures into the flames planning at all.

The pick itself is top ten protected. So the biggest screw job would be for the Panthers to finish with a 11-16 pick and then win the lottery to make it a top ten pick. It will transfer as long as it isn’t top ten though

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Angelino

Agree! Hopefully he destroys the Leafs the same way he did the Flames. Then his daddy can get him another job when they fire him.

Looks like he is with 4 guys making $46 million

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Part of me wondered yesterday if the Francis article was a plant. Either way it seemed to work as Friedman repeated it.

But is it a plant to drive up value?

Or is it a plant to ready the fan base for signing Hanifin?

I like the player so I don't mind keeping him. At his age it's not the same death march as signing 30 year olds to 8 year contracts.

His no move clauses will be interesting to watch though.

Hanifin was always the one out of the 4 that I had (and still have) no problem with the Flames signing. It can take years to draft and develop dmen capable of playing in the NHL in a top 4 roll. The vast majority of rebuilds that stall out do so because they don’t have the backend. Blowing up your backend is a definite recipe for a 6-9 year rebuild IMO. If you have a decent backend you can shorten that time frame.

[MolsonInBothHands]

There's no movement clauses, so there should be an ask for movement clause: if the player or agent goes public with a trade request, nullify any NMC, cut the salary to equivalent of 50 percent retained. Too lazy to make the text green. It would be really dark green because I am only half kidding. It's impossible, I know.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Part of me wondered yesterday if the Francis article was a plant. Either way it seemed to work as Friedman repeated it.

But is it a plant to drive up value?

Or is it a plant to ready the fan base for signing Hanifin?

I like the player so I don't mind keeping him. At his age it's not the same death march as signing 30 year olds to 8 year contracts.

His no move clauses will be interesting to watch though.

Based on my information Sir Bingo, it’s the first scenario.

The agent and the team are working together to drive the acquisition cost up. If he was going to sign he would sign the 7.XX by 8 year deal that was already supposedly offered no?! He’s 26 and nobody wants to get Klingberg’d by being greedy it’s a risky game.

Is there a chance Calgary changes tune? I doubt it… unless the AAV is reduced.

IMO Noah over played his hand here but not across the league….

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by getbak

I assumed that "lottery protected" meant the Flames would get the pick unless it won the lottery, not just being in the lottery.

I always thought it meant any pick that is lottery eligible. So, that's 1 through 16, is it not? With stipulations on how many spots you can jump etc.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

I always thought it meant any pick that is lottery eligible. So, that's 1 through 16, is it not? With stipulations on how many spots you can jump etc.

"Lottery protected" can mean a lot of things. Heck, just in trades the Flames have been involved in it's meant "Team X can choose not to move the pick if it's between 1 and 10," "Team X keeps pick if it's first overall" and "Team X can choose what year to move a pick, unless it's outside of the lottery."

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

I always thought it meant any pick that is lottery eligible. So, that's 1 through 16, is it not? With stipulations on how many spots you can jump etc.

2025 1st round pick (CGY) [Conditional]*
*Conditions: 1. If CGY’s 2024 1st round pick is between 20 and 32, MTL can take that pick instead. Result: TBD

Scenario: In the event CGY receives FLA’s 2025 1st round pick:
1. If both CGY AND FLA’s picks are NOT top 10, MTL will receive the better of the CGY and FLA 2025 1st round picks. Result: TBD

2. If CGY’s pick is top 10, AND FLA’s pick is NOT top 10, MTL receives FLA’s pick. Result: TBD


Scenario: In the event CGY does NOT receive FLA’s 1st round pick:

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is NOT top 10
1. MTL will receive the CGY pick, and
2. If FLA’s pick is not top 10, is a better pick than CGY’s, and was transferred to another team due to prior conditions, MTL will also receive CGY’s 2025 4th round pick.
Result: TBD

Sub-scenario: CGY’s pick is top 10:
1. If CGY’s pick is 1st overall, MTL will receive CGY’s 2025 3rd, and the better of CGY and FLA’s 2026 1st round pick. Result: TBD
2. If CGY’s pick is 2nd to 10th, MTL receives CGY’s 2025 1st round pick. Result: TBD

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Poe969

This team lacks a game breaker. They have some good players, but no one to take a game over. Unless they have a way to get an elite player, those good players are being wasted here.

Hanifin would do really well on a team with elite players, he won't do AS well here but they'll likely have to pay him somewhere in the middle. Paying him more than he's worth to this team is a recipe for failure, they need to find a way to get elite talent, COUGH COUGH draft at the top of the Draft COUGH COUGH.

Trade the good players on this team, get assets, do poorly in the standings because the good players have been traded, draft elite talent with your pick, get good players with the assets from trades.

A team with a lot of good players but without elite players will never be good enough to win or bad enough to get elite players.

They are not drafting at the top of the draft anytime soon, you need to let that pipe dream die.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Based on my information Sir Bingo, it’s the first scenario.

The agent and the team are working together to drive the acquisition cost up. If he was going to sign he would sign the 7.XX by 8 year deal that was already supposedly offered no?! He’s 26 and nobody wants to get Klingberg’d by being greedy it’s a risky game.

Is there a chance Calgary changes tune? I doubt it… unless the AAV is reduced.

IMO Noah over played his hand here but not across the league….

Hey Sec! Appreciate your insights always. Is there any chance that the Flames look to resign Hanifin and then shift to dealing Rasmus? He would has a higher return and I believe that resigning Hanifin now is much better for the Flames than resigning Rasmus in 2-3 years.

Thoughts?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They are not drafting at the top of the draft anytime soon, you need to let that pipe dream die.

If the season were to end today, the Flames would draft 9th Overall.

Trade away Tanev, Hanifin, and Lindholm and I think you see a team that is firmly going to draft somewhere between 5th and 10th.

This team should be doing what it takes to avoid drafting 10th-16th. That 10th-16th spot, especially with where this team is and where their prospect pool is (completley devoid of top end talent), renders this team irrelevant on a go-forward basis. If Conroy etc., doesn't see that, then they should not have their jobs. The status quo is not good enough...so I'll remain hopeful that Conroy trades all three of them.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Hey Sec! Appreciate your insights always. Is there any chance that the Flames look to resign Hanifin and then shift to dealing Rasmus? He would has a higher return and I believe that resigning Hanifin now is much better for the Flames than resigning Rasmus in 2-3 years.

Thoughts?

Andersson+Mangiapane for Marner

[dammage79]

I don't know, I have a feeling the Flames are going to target deals similar to the Hamilton trade. But maybe more aimed a players on the cusp of making it full time over already established NHLers unless they're early in their careers.

I'm likely wrong and the Flames will re-sign all of them and ruin the fun fantasy hockey time.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Hey Sec! Appreciate your insights always. Is there any chance that the Flames look to resign Hanifin and then shift to dealing Rasmus? He would has a higher return and I believe that resigning Hanifin now is much better for the Flames than resigning Rasmus in 2-3 years.

Thoughts?

Teams have inquired about Rasmus for sure, I don't think the flames are too interested at his moment and time but that could change depending on what they get back in trades this year and next years draft.

The Flames at the NHL level are really short on RHD and if the plan is to move out Tanev it gets even shorter.. Mckenzie gives you some flexibility but not enough to be comfortable.

Rasmus probably wouldn't get moved this season, IF it was to happen it would most likely be in the summer outside of some crazy offer that you cant say no to.

[stemit14]

It will be interesting to see Ottawa’s moves based on Friedman’s comments. Sounds like they want some veteran players but they (should) be sellers at the deadline. Playoff teams (buyers) are not usually looking to trade veteran players at the trade deadline so I would think Ottawa’s changes would have to wait to the offseason. But Friedman was suggesting that Ottawa is being aggressive right now in looking to change the team. I suppose it could mean just moving on from certain vets like Tarasenko. Hoping Giroux is not made available as he is a solid alternative to Lindholm that is on a good contract. Could dilute the market for Lindholm.