2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[jg13]

they need to move Hanifin and do everything in their power to have him sign an extension with the team he is traded to.

[Niemo]

I’m not against resigning Hanifin if it means we can trade Rasmus.

[Mr.Coffee]

Re-signing Hanifin would be pretty stupid. Let’s see what happens.

[Matty81]

I wonder if the Flames are really worried about losing a top ten pick next year in the Monahan deal and it potentially prevents them from fully embracing a rebuild and encourages making a move like re-signing Hanifin

While Florida seem good right now, their goalie is ancient and stranger things have happened, if Florida miss the playoffs next year the flames will likely lose their first rounder, unless it's 1st overall. A scenario where the team sucks all year and then loses the 2nd or 3rd overall pick would be pretty much catastrophic for the team big picture.

Of all the bad moves Treliving made that trade has potential to be the worst one by far.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I wonder if the Flames are really worried about losing a top ten pick next year in the Monahan deal and it potentially prevents them from fully embracing a rebuild and encourages making a move like re-signing Hanifin

While Florida seem good right now, their goalie is ancient and stranger things have happened, if Florida miss the playoffs next year the flames will likely lose their first rounder, unless it's 1st overall. A scenario where the team sucks all year and then loses the 2nd or 3rd overall pick would be pretty much catastrophic for the team big picture.

Of all the bad moves Treliving made that trade has potential to be the worst one by far.

After the Panthers make the playoffs this year, the major risk of our own 2025 1st pick lowers significantly.

Then, so long as Florida’s pick isn’t top-10, Montreal gets Florida’s pick.

I would not bank on Florida’s 2025 1st being top-10. They’re a good team with a good core, and are also going to have a lot of salary cap flexibility.

It’s much, much more likely that Montreal gets Florida’s 2025 pick than anything else at this stage.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

After the Panthers make the playoffs this year, the major risk of our own 2025 1st pick lowers significantly.

Then, so long as Florida’s pick isn’t top-10, Montreal gets Florida’s pick.

I would not bank on Florida’s 2025 1st being top-10. They’re a good team with a good core, and are also going to have a lot of salary cap flexibility.

It’s much, much more likely that Montreal gets Florida’s 2025 pick than anything else at this stage.

If Florida misses the playoffs in 2025 and their pick is a lottery pick (top 16), the flames do not get the 2025 pick and it rolls over to 2026 (link).

The Habs then get the Flames 2025 1st round pick unless it's 1st overall. And in that 1st overall scenario the Habs also get the flames 3rd and the better pick out of Cgy/Florida in 2026.

Basically if the Panthers miss the playoffs next year the flames are probably ####ed REALLY badly. I don't think it's likely either, as they have a good team and I'm sure my prayers to the hockey gods will help too. But I wonder if it gives mgmt. pause on tearing it down... your ownership of your own first is completely contingent on the performance of another team.

Such a terrible, terrible trade, the risk level is insane. If the flames lose a top 5 pick that would be right up there with the Gilmour deal.

[ComixZone]

This article states that the 2025 1st round pick is top-10 protected, not top-16 protected.

PuckPedia also confirms - the 2025 FLA 1st is top-10 protected, not top-16

The concern around Florida not being good next year is a reach. They’re a good team. The risk is there, but it is not excessive.

(Dang that Monahan to Montreal trade was brain dead work by Tree regardless of the conditions though. Spending a 1st to dump 1 season of Monahan was moronic)

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This article states that the 2025 1st round pick is top-10 protected, not top-16 protected.

The concern around Florida not being good next year is a reach. They’re a good team.

I want you to be right, but capfriendly also says lottery protected not top 10. I think we need the Panthers to make the playoffs.

I do agree that Florida missing the playoffs is not the likely scenario, but I don't think them slipping into 17th or 18th place is completely unrealistic. I just wonder if that figures into the flames planning at all.

[getbak]

I assumed that "lottery protected" meant the Flames would get the pick unless it won the lottery, not just being in the lottery.

[Angelino]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I wonder if the Flames are really worried about losing a top ten pick next year in the Monahan deal and it potentially prevents them from fully embracing a rebuild and encourages making a move like re-signing Hanifin

While Florida seem good right now, their goalie is ancient and stranger things have happened, if Florida miss the playoffs next year the flames will likely lose their first rounder, unless it's 1st overall. A scenario where the team sucks all year and then loses the 2nd or 3rd overall pick would be pretty much catastrophic for the team big picture.

Of all the bad moves Treliving made that trade has potential to be the worst one by far.

I know Christmas has passed, but Treliving is the gift that keeps giving. The ghost of Treliving past.

[Hackey]

Trading a 1st to get rid of 1 year of Monahan so you could add 7 years of Kadri is almost as bad as turning Matthew Tkachuk into 8 years of Jonathan Huberdeau.

BUT.....depending what happens with that 1st the Monahan trade could still pull ahead.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1743815410892591587

Don’t know if this has been posted yet

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Trading a 1st to get rid of 1 year of Monahan so you could add 7 years of Kadri is almost as bad as turning Matthew Tkachuk into 8 years of Jonathan Huberdeau.

BUT.....depending what happens with that 1st the Monahan trade could still pull ahead.

So far Kadri hasn't been a bust, and especially this season, he is living up to his salary. How the contract ages is a concern and we'll have to wait and see about that. With Monahan, there was some concern about whether he would be a productive player ever again.

How that 1st rounder plays out is a huge difference maker though. I support the Kadri signing and moving Monahan, but not sure if it was worth a 1st rounder to do it. I also think Kadri has trade value, not likely a 1st round pick value, but positive trade value nonetheless.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Shedding Monahan definitely wasn't worth the first, but I guess it's also clear the Flames got the best of his career, even now.

In MTL: 64GP 16G 24A

Love the guy, but he's just an OK NHLer now whose held together by metal plates and super glue. A far cry from his sniper years next to Gaudreau, but certainly of a player of value down any one's line up.

Hopefully the 1st situation brings as little pain as possible, and hopefully MTL botches whichever pick they end up getting.

We need not suffer more for Treliving's poor decisions.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't want to keep any of them. It's not a core worth locking into further than they already have.

I'm going to side with this.

It's not that the player isn't appealing individually, it's that the Flames need a new mix in that dressing room, and they could never get it done with this core anyways so I don't know why retaining parts of it for big money is feasibly going to bring about any different results.

If they could cut ties with every one here and now but the young guys I'd do it.

It's funny and tragic to me that the Flames' only strength on paper is their D, and yet their defense is as porous as its ever been. It's really atrocious, and often Markstrom is the only line of defense between them and the abyss.

Hanifin signs for 7M and eases off that contract year level of intensity, and I'm sure we'll really love this guy...

Just take the haul, man. Speaking of that, why aren't we sitting on more 1sts yet! Where's the re-tool/build/set?

Pretending to part ways with players only to re-sign them in the 11th hour isn't a retool. Need to stop falling in love with mediocrity!

[Sofa GM]

Re-signing Hanifin would be a really bad move for the Flames. If they do that then they have to move Andersson. Something of value has to be moved to acquire offensive talent. Andersson retained would get a haul, perhaps even a couple of those Sabres prospects.

I personally would be fine retaining Hanifin if it meant moving Andersson to the Sabres for Ostlund+Kurich……. Dare to dream.

Then move Lindholm to Colorado for a package around Byram. It’s just that easy… hahaha.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Re-signing Hanifin would be a really bad move for the Flames. If they do that then they have to move Andersson. Something of value has to be moved to acquire offensive talent. Andersson retained would get a haul, perhaps even a couple of those Sabres prospects.

I personally would be fine retaining Hanifin if it meant moving Andersson to the Sabres for Ostlund+Kurich……. Dare to dream.

Then move Lindholm to Colorado for a package around Byram. It’s just that easy… hahaha.

If the Flames recoup solid A/B+ prospects for both Lindholm and Tanev they should be fine. Defenders take longer to develop and having a d-corps featuring Hanifin, Anderson and Weegar isn't a bad thing.

Conroy has to focus on getting back quality pieces for both though and hopefully not picks in 2026. If he intends on keeping the D together I would hope he is aiming for prospects who are already on the verge of playing and contributing in the NHL.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Matty81

If Florida misses the playoffs in 2025 and their pick is a lottery pick (top 16), the flames do not get the 2025 pick and it rolls over to 2026 (link).

The Habs then get the Flames 2025 1st round pick unless it's 1st overall. And in that 1st overall scenario the Habs also get the flames 3rd and the better pick out of Cgy/Florida in 2026.

Basically if the Panthers miss the playoffs next year the flames are probably ####ed REALLY badly. I don't think it's likely either, as they have a good team and I'm sure my prayers to the hockey gods will help too. But I wonder if it gives mgmt. pause on tearing it down... your ownership of your own first is completely contingent on the performance of another team.

Such a terrible, terrible trade, the risk level is insane. If the flames lose a top 5 pick that would be right up there with the Gilmour deal.

It was a terrible trade but according to that article the Habs get the lower of the picks if Florida’s pick is not top 10. So as long as Florida makes the playoffs or finishes lower than 11th the Flames are guaranteed to not give up a top 10 pick.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Angelino

I know Christmas has passed, but Treliving is the gift that keeps giving. The ghost of Treliving past.

He was desperate. He knew he was running after the contract is over. He didn’t care what would happen after. Total fraud.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It was a terrible trade but according to that article the Habs get the lower of the picks if Florida’s pick is not top 10. So as long as Florida makes the playoffs or finishes lower than 11th the Flames are guaranteed to not give up a top 10 pick.

Go Tkachuk go