2014/2015 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by David Struch

So, when can NHL trades begin to happen again, we've seen non-playoff teams make deals during the playoffs from time to time...

They can happen anytime. Just won't be eligible to play the rest of the season or this year's playoffs. That is the major reason they don't happen often.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by David Struch

So, when can NHL trades begin to happen again, we've seen non-playoff teams make deals during the playoffs from time to time...

Technically, they can happen anytime, the only issue is that any player acquired cannot play for his new team for the rest of the season.

[Da_Chief]

^ I did not know that.

So if you think you're getting a sweet deal you can pull the trigger and wait to play him next season. Or acquire a player with a season ending injury.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by getbak

Technically, they can happen anytime, the only issue is that any player acquired cannot play for his new team for the rest of the season.

I think its just the playoffs they can't play

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

I think its just the playoffs they can't play

It's the rest of the regular season and playoffs. You're probabły thinking of signing a free agent. They can play in the regular season but not playoffs.

Bruins did this same thing with Marty Turco years ago.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

They didn't pick him up off waivers from, they got him back from Colorado for a 5th round pick. The trade was right before the deadline IIRC.

It had something to do with the waiver draft in the fall. They could reacquire a guy they traded prior to the waiver draft for some reason. The rule was designed to keep teams from somehow circumventing the waiver draft.

The Flames obviously didn't do that there though and can't believe McAmmond had to sit out the remainder of the season.

The way I remember it the rule was too stop strong teams from hiding players with weak teams, thus avoiding waivers and getting the player back when he was needed. In our circumstance it was just the opposite case but the rule still applied. Chalk up another ignorant move by Button.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

It's the rest of the regular season and playoffs. You're probabły thinking of signing a free agent. They can play in the regular season but not playoffs.

Bruins did this same thing with Marty Turco years ago.

Would be interesting if the NHL modified trading like mlb has with a non waiver trade deadline (keeping the current deadline) but allowing post deadline moves that requires waivers. Here's something I pulled off the web that explains.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...n-still-happen

[sureLoss]

Sounds like Grigorenko is being "Baertschied" in Buffalo

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-regi...renko-20150309

As far as Ted Nolan is concerned, it seems that Mikhail Grigorenko is running out of chances to make any sort of impression to impact his future with the Buffalo Sabres.

Grigorenko was called up from Rochester Thursday, installed as Buffalo’s No. 2 center for Friday’s loss in Ottawa and was back in the AHL on Saturday.

After Monday’s practice in HarborCenter, the coach made it clear why.

“I didn’t like his play,” Nolan said bluntly. “For him to play at this level, especially with that much skill, he has to bring a little bit more than what he had. You don’t really want to sit back and hope for things to work. You’ve got to make them work like everybody else. I just felt his play on certain parts was very lackadaisical. Didn’t have any energy or urgency in his game whatsoever.”

While Grigorenko is still only 20 years old, his ability to show something at the NHL level in the final quarter of the season looms large for a variety of reasons.

This season marks the end of Grigorenko’s entry-level contract, and it will be interesting to see what tact the Sabres take with him going forward. The team could simply extend him his qualifying offer as a restricted free agent (roughly $975,000) and not negotiate a higher amount, or try to package Grigorenko in a trade.

It’s known the Sabres continue to have keen interest in Colorado center Ryan O’Reilly, and Grigorenko could serve as part of a potential package going to the Avs. Grigorenko, remember, played for current Colorado coach Patrick Roy in junior hockey with the Quebec Remparts.

[bubbsy]

here's my issue with the baertchi trade. There's prospects all over the league that get "Baertschied".

I would have preferred looking at a Baertschied for Baertschied prospect move, ideally not with our biggest rival.

[Poe969]

We got a 2nd in a deep draft for him. If we can get a similar prospect that has potential that we may be able to capitalize, lets hope we pay less than what we got for Baertshi

[playmaker]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

here's my issue with the baertchi trade. There's prospects all over the league that get "Baertschied".

I would have preferred looking at a Baertschied for Baertschied prospect move, ideally not with our biggest rival.

I'd say that decision whether to make 'baertschied for bartschied' or 'bartschied for a pick' trade largely depends on the strength of a draft class. Treliving was offered the 2nd rounder in the deep draft and he accepted, I have no problem with that.

There will be plenty of interesting prospects available so choosing the one that won't get 'bartschied' is IMHO far better option here.

[GioforPM]

“I didn’t like his play,” Nolan said bluntly. “For him to play at this level, especially with that much skill, he has to bring a little bit more than what he had. You don’t really want to sit back and hope for things to work. You’ve got to make them work like everybody else. I just felt his play on certain parts was very lackadaisical. Didn’t have any energy or urgency in his game whatsoever.”

Isn't this at least as harsh as Burke's comments about Baertschi? At least Burke specified some areas to work on, and didn't just say "lazy".

And didn't someone say no other team does that, or something to that effect?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

here's my issue with the baertchi trade. There's prospects all over the league that get "Baertschied".

I would have preferred looking at a Baertschied for Baertschied prospect move, ideally not with our biggest rival.

The problem with moving a piece for a piece is that both pieces need to fit, or you won't get a deal.

When you're dealing with players in Baertschi's situation (pending RFA, final year of waiver exemption, hasn't solidified himself on your NHL roster but probably good enough that he won't clear waivers in the fall), the other team not only has to want your player, but they have to believe that he can claim a permanent spot on their NHL roster in the fall. It's hard enough to find a team in that position, let alone trying to find one that also has their own player in that same situation that you believe can claim a permanent spot on your NHL roster in the fall.

It's easier to move around the pieces you want in separate smaller deals than trying to find one big slam dunk deal that solves all your problems.


Would you have liked it better if the Flames had traded Baertschi to Florida for Drew Shore, and Knight to Vancouver for a 2nd round pick, then Vancouver and Florida swapped Knight and Baertschi? The end result would have been the same, but Baertschi would have been moved for a player in a similar situation rather than for a draft pick to a hated rival.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

here's my issue with the baertchi trade. There's prospects all over the league that get "Baertschied".

I would have preferred looking at a Baertschied for Baertschied prospect move, ideally not with our biggest rival.

Originally Posted by getbak

Would you have liked it better if the Flames had traded Baertschi to Florida for Drew Shore, and Knight to Vancouver for a 2nd round pick, then Vancouver and Florida swapped Knight and Baertschi? The end result would have been the same, but Baertschi would have been moved for a player in a similar situation rather than for a draft pick to a hated rival.

^^ This

I think the Canucks jersey is ugly as hell too, but you can't leave the best deal off the table because you are worried they will or might play for a rival. We traded Iginla to Pittsburg, but now he's back in our conference in Colorado. (Might I add, Vancouver was one of the teams Iginla was considering signing with.) We traded Kobasew to Boston, but he later on ends up in Minnisota.

I get some of the bitterness of losing Sven, but I don't think the destination should be such a big deal.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Getting a little cocky there LA!

For real. That actually kind of pisses me off. They've got 8 of their next 11 games (Remaining March schedule) on the road and they're not a particularily successful road team this year.

[savardandjokinen]

i was actually wanted him for sven if we had to trade him

[dammage79]

I have more faith in Grigorenko realizing his potential than I do in Sven. I'd take Grigo for 2nd in heart beat. Flames do have 3 of them!

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Parallex

For real. That actually kind of pisses me off. They've got 8 of their next 11 games (Remaining March schedule) on the road and they're not a particularily successful road team this year.

Yeah I don't get it either. People just assume because they won the cup that they are going to be back there again. They have had a few shortened off seasons now due to their playoff success it would make sense if they didn't make it this year. They are getting older and that much hockey multiple years in a row doesn't help. I just don't see them making it in the end unless the Flames or Cancuks go through a bad losing streak.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I have more faith in Grigorenko realizing his potential than I do in Sven. I'd take Grigo for 2nd in heart beat. Flames do have 3 of them!

Was thinking the same thing but do we need another C in that mold? Money hands and bennett as 1-2 and we have jankowski and Arnold in pipeline, with Backlund still relatively young and Granlund making his way.

If we make a move for grinko would want a C going out though not sure we want to bring him in. Package the picks or use them to upgrade d as that's where we need to upgrade positionally.

[868904]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

here's my issue with the baertchi trade. There's prospects all over the league that get "Baertschied".

I would have preferred looking at a Baertschied for Baertschied prospect move, ideally not with our biggest rival.

What makes you think the Flames didn't try that? Treliving has said that the second rounder was "by far" the best offer they got. Coupled with Friedman's reporting that many scouts he talked to were not impressed with Baertchi's play in the AHL and I don't see how people can still complain about the return Treliving got.

This isn't like Sutter waking up one morning and taking the first offer for Phanuef. Treliving shopped him hard and this was the best he could get.