12-03-2014, 06:21 PM
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#1561
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Originally Posted by Language
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This is definitely inexcusable. I can understand, and I somewhat agree, with the Grand Jury decision on the Michael Brown case, but I can't fathom why this one wouldn't go to trial. Hopefully the feds turn up something.
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12-03-2014, 06:46 PM
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#1562
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Uncle Chester
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Hard to figure this one out. Video seems clear. Something in there had to be indictable.
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12-03-2014, 07:18 PM
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#1563
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wittyusertitle
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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The Eric Garner case is really, unbelievably cut and dried.
The officer put the man in chokehold--which is not approved by his police force.
The man dies, and the death is ruled a homicide.
The entire incident is on video.
How did this even go to a grand jury? How are there even any questions about whether this should've gone to trial?
It's not that I "don't like law enforcement"--I'm perfectly happy with police officers who treat their responsibility with the respect it deserves, that genuinely is there to serve and protect. I have a huge problem with the epidemic of all too many officers in the US abusing that responsibility, and the justice system being too corrupt to do anything about it.
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12-03-2014, 09:53 PM
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#1564
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Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 127.0.0.1
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Because the police will no longer work with the prosecutor if he takes it further. They work together. It's fkd.
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12-04-2014, 09:05 AM
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#1568
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Victoria
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12-04-2014, 09:49 AM
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#1569
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
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Quoted for posterity.
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12-04-2014, 10:24 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sunnyvale
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Originally Posted by rubecube
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I would say that if he wasn't resisting the arrest he would still be alive. Was it a justifiable arrest? Well that is a whole different discussion all together. He was doing something deemed illegal and he knew the drill having been arrested some 30 previous times. That could be called harrasment but if a cop sees someone breaking the law they are obligated to intervene; fine, arrest, warn etc... It is all moot now and I understand that but there are very few people who have died that have cooperated with law enforcement.
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Last edited by Derek Sutton; 12-04-2014 at 10:26 AM.
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12-04-2014, 10:53 AM
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#1571
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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
I would say that if he wasn't resisting the arrest he would still be alive. Was it a justifiable arrest? Well that is a whole different discussion all together. He was doing something deemed illegal and he knew the drill having been arrested some 30 previous times. That could be called harrasment but if a cop sees someone breaking the law they are obligated to intervene; fine, arrest, warn etc... It is all moot now and I understand that but there are very few people who have died that have cooperated with law enforcement.
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If the cop didn't choke him to death he'd be alive too.
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12-04-2014, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by wittynickname
The officer put the man in chokehold--which is not approved by his police force.
The man dies, and the death is ruled a homicide.
The entire incident is on video.
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Just to clarify, for a medical examiner to rule a death a homicide is to say that another person took their life. Which I understand may be your point to make, however, a lot of people automatically equate cause of death as being homicide to being equal to the criminal act of homicide. A homicide can be justified (ie. police using deadly force). A medical examiner would not be a judge if that is justified or not.
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12-04-2014, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
I would say that if he wasn't resisting the arrest he would still be alive.
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He wasn't violently resisting or trying to flee and the officer used a chokehold (although he argues he didn't) that the NYPD had banned 20 years ago.
A non-violent man was killed by an officer who at the very least could be argued went against his training to subdue the man. Should have passed the Grand Jury to at least see a trial.
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12-04-2014, 11:33 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
I would say that if he wasn't resisting the arrest he would still be alive. Was it a justifiable arrest? Well that is a whole different discussion all together. He was doing something deemed illegal and he knew the drill having been arrested some 30 previous times. That could be called harrasment but if a cop sees someone breaking the law they are obligated to intervene; fine, arrest, warn etc... It is all moot now and I understand that but there are very few people who have died that have cooperated with law enforcement.
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I find this to be an amazingly cavalier attitude towards the death of a person at the hands of the state.
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12-04-2014, 02:18 PM
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#1577
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
I would say that if he wasn't resisting the arrest he would still be alive. Was it a justifiable arrest? Well that is a whole different discussion all together. He was doing something deemed illegal and he knew the drill having been arrested some 30 previous times. That could be called harrasment but if a cop sees someone breaking the law they are obligated to intervene; fine, arrest, warn etc... It is all moot now and I understand that but there are very few people who have died that have cooperated with law enforcement.
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The cop jumped him from behind while he was talking and was clearly not physical threat.
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12-04-2014, 03:02 PM
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One of the few times when Jon Stewart is left speechless and not making jokes about the news. Speaking about the Garner's jury decision: http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/video/player?vid=505927
Edit: Should note, there is a number of bleeped out curse words in the segment.
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12-04-2014, 03:17 PM
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Has lived the dream!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Where I lay my head is home...
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Wow. I think I'm done with the internet today.  I had known about the case and was disgusted by it, but this is just so... no words.
Great post and thanks for sharing. But yeah, stepping back now.
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