The Ongoing Dog Attack Mega-Thread

[taco.vidal]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...tack-1.3623763

Farid Benzenati says he was unable to sleep after witnessing a fatal dog attack on his neighbour.

A 55-year-old woman was attacked in Montreal's east end on Wednesday afternoon by what police describe as a pit bull.

Benzenati said he arrived home from work around 5 p.m., and as is his habit, had a quick look outside at the pool in his backyard.

'I saw blood, and the dog was still attacking her.'
- Farid Benzenati
That's when he noticed movement behind the fence.

"I saw a big dog that appeared to be playing with a large object. I looked closer and saw that the object was really big," he said.

His fear mounting, Benzenati moved closer.

"That's when I saw hair," he said. "It was hard to see, but I knew it was a woman's body."

He yelled his neighbour's name, but there was no reply.

"I saw blood, and the dog was still attacking her," he said.

He described his neighbour as "very nice, always smiling" and said she lived alone.

The dog was new to the neighbourhood, he said. It was only in the past few days that he'd heard it barking.

Officers shoot, kill dog

Dog attack
A view of the backyard in Pointe-aux-Trembles where a 55-year-old woman was attacked on Wednesday. (Steve Rukavina/CBC)

Police believe the dog may have gone through a hole in the fence from a neighbouring yard.

"When they arrived in the backyard, there was the dog that was pretty aggressive towards police officers," said Montreal police Const. Jean-Pierre Brabant.

Officers had to shoot and kill the dog in order to reach the woman safely, Brabant said.

"Unfortunately, that lady was pronounced dead on site."

Brabant said it appeared the dog's owner wasn't home at the time of the attack.

Montreal police have now found and spoken with the owner of a dog, which they said was a pit bull.

Const. Benoit Boisselle said later Wednesday the 27-year-old man could face charges of criminal negligence.

An autopsy will be performed on the victim to confirm the cause of her death.

Plan for 'dangerous dogs'

hi-pitbull-istock
The City of Montreal hasn't said whether pit bulls, or any other breed of dog, would be subject to the new rules. (istock)

The incident comes on the heels of a City of Montreal plan to overhaul rules regarding "dangerous dogs."

Last month, the city said it wants to come up with regulations for all 19 boroughs but wouldn't say if it's leaning toward an all-out ban on any particular breed.

[PsYcNeT]

Don't we have a massive dog attack thread for this bad debate?

EDIT: Yup

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=118260

[Thor]

Can you ask Silver to post this and delete this.

Also no, the breed isn't any more violent than most dogs, just how they are brought up by the owners. By all means hold the owners accountable though.

[burn_this_city]

Problem with these dogs is 90% of the owners are trash who buy them for image.

[foshizzle11]

Why was a large breed dog home alone (which is fine, but it should be in the house, secured) and able to escape it's yard to roam freely and kill a women? That dog deserved to be shot, it would have been euthanized anyway. This is unacceptable. I am sure we will hear from the owners that his dog has never shown any signs of aggression, blah blah blah.

If someone wants to own any dog, it shouldn't be able to escape it's yard/home to scare other people and attack others especially these large breeds that have a bad rep because of silly owners like this guy.

How much jail time could this owner see for being criminally negligent?

Here is a link from the other thread for the women killed in Montreal by a pit bull.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...tack-1.3623763

[nik-]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Problem with these dogs is 90% of the owners are trash who buy them for image.

The dog is also a problem too unfortunately. If they want to attack, it's pretty much a nightmare to stop them.

[OutOfTheCube]

How many times does it need to happen before we decide the breed, not just the owner, is a problem?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Thor

Can you ask Silver to post this and delete this.

Also no, the breed isn't any more violent than most dogs, just how they are brought up by the owners. By all means hold the owners accountable though.

But when they are brought up poorly, the danger they represent is so much greater than with almost any other breed

[taco.vidal]

Firstly more serious charges for the owner in this instance should be applied. The law should be changed if needed.

The breed is clearly a problem. We can keep a limited number in zoos but public ownership should be forbidden.

[Nyah]

This breed does attract idiots, but even people who raise the dog with obedience and love can have a completely unpredictable dog. My friend was telling me about a guy he knew that had a really sweet, great female pit bull. He took her to obedience classes, the off leash park (where she always behaved), and she was always around kids. Once day, on leash, she spotted a German Sheppard sticking his head out of a hole in its fence and tore out of her owners grasp, ran across the street and latched onto this other dogs neck. By the time he finally got her off of this other dog it was dead. She killed a dog who was in his own yard, completely out of the blue for no reason whatsoever. They had her put down that afternoon.

I've personally never met a mean pit bull, every dog I have met has been friendly and nice. I still think there needs to be a ban. These dogs are so unpredictable. What if it had been a kid this guys 'sweet girl' had snapped on? It's just not worth the risk.

[Finger Cookin]

One thing's for sure: this thread will find a definitive solution to this issue that everyone will agree with, once and for all.

[Thor]

http://tvblogs.nationalgeographic.co...out-pit-bulls/



https://www.cesarsway.com/cesar-tv/t...-for-pit-bulls

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

But when they are brought up poorly, the danger they represent is so much greater than with almost any other breed

Again another myth, this breed is so misunderstood.

[OMG!WTF!]

Oooooooooh. 235 pounds per square inch. Well that's better.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Thor

Again another myth, this breed is so misunderstood.

If you take a look at the stats on dog attack deaths, there is a very clear pattern. Sure, other dog breeds attack all the time, but it seems that pit bulls, along with a small handful of other breeds, make up the overwhelming majority of fatality attack breeds.

[taco.vidal]

Guns dont kill people, people kill people.

Is that similar to the arguement here?
Pitbulls dont kill people, bad owners kill people.

So we should have no bans on guns or pitbulls?

Poor woman minding her own business in her yard. But if it wasnt a pitbull, it could have been a stray bullet from a gun.

[Mod edit- please do not quote long posts for no reason.]

[Thor]

Then you support banning German Sheppards, Rotweilers, Labradors as well?

Death by a real dog- 1 in 116,448.
Death by a hot dog- 1 in 3,375.

Deaths are horrific, all animal attacks are, but are we not overreacting here just a tad?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steffe...b_8112394.html

In order to look at any issue objectively, you have to first define the terms and the parameters you’re working with. You have to make sure you’re comparing apples to apples and more importantly, that you even know what an apple is when you see one.

A) What is a statistic?
B) What is a pit bull?
C) How are pit bulls identified?

What is a statistic?: “A calculated numerical value that characterizes some aspect of a sample set of data, and that is often meant to estimate the true value of a corresponding parameter in an underlying population.”

What is a Pit Bull?: It is commonly accepted that “pit bull” is not a breed but a loosely defined and general category. Definition of this category varies depending upon the source. Any blocky headed dog, or any mix of breeds that is between 35 and 100 pounds and upwards of 30 individual dog breeds may currently fall in this broad category through the use of visual breed identification.

How are pit bulls identified?: Visual breed identification, or the extremely scientific (insert sarcasm) process of tilting your head 30 degrees to the right or left and guessing based on a few, basic traits and the inability to automatically identify the dog as something else, is how pit bulls are identified.

“Based upon the observation of a handful of variable breed-associated physical traits, such as coat color, body size, skull shape and whether the ears or erect or floppy. These physical traits are found in many different breeds and are controlled by approximately 50 of the roughly 20,000 genes that create a dog.” - Read more about of the science behind canine behavior, here.

We could stop, right at this point.

In order for a “number” to be a “statistic,” it has to estimate a true value of specific data. The data has to be definable, and the parameters have to be clear.

“Please note that I do NOT participate in the kennel club breed-name game. Where some ‘breed’ is in fact a mastiff-pit bull mix (such as the bull mastiff or the Cane Corso), I list it as a pit bull-type dog / pit mix...Please note that I’m counting deaths by pit bull / pit mix ATTACK, whether or not cars killed the targets before the pit bulls could ‘bite’ them to death. The two children who ran into traffic would have been alive today if pit bulls hadn’t initiated an attack on them.”—Merritt Clifton

If you aren’t going to play the breed-name game to make the numbers up, then you can’t use those same numbers to play the breed-blame game, either.

But let’s pretend that all validity wasn’t thrown out the window just yet, where do these numbers come from, after all?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Pitbull the musician should be banned, I think we can all agree on that at least.

[Sliver]

Hah, pitbulls aren't a problem. Give me a fataing break. It's a fact that if this pitbull owner instead opted to own pylon's wiener dog, this lady would be alive and well right now. Of course dogs with the power and potential temperament of a pitbull should be outlawed. It's basic.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Thor

Then you support banning German Sheppards, Rotweilers, Labradors as well?]

Absolutely. All dogs over a certain size should be banned.

It's not just about deaths, by the way. The maimings kind of suck, too.