2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It's from 2021 but not according to this.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/w...ign-and-trade/



So that should mean last year's deadline.

A team can acquire a player and sign him to an 8-year deal after this year's trade deadline.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

A team can acquire a player and sign him to an 8-year deal after this year's trade deadline.

They could but it's a risk if you end up not being able to work something out. By getting the Flames to do the deal for you that risk is eliminated.

You can say you're willing to take the risk and will try and pay less but the Flames can also tell you thanks but no thanks and move onto the next team who is willing to pay more.

[bdubbs]

Appreciate Sec and Dissentowner for the speculation so I can continue ignoring the troll posts in this thread. Really good stuff even if none of it pans out.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I still think McLeod comes to CGY in any deal structure with NJ. Holtz+McLeod makes a lot of sense.

If Conroy plays these cards right, he can walk put with some serious assets to build for the future and round out a roster for the right now.

McLeod isn't much of an asset that we don't have already, would rather a 3rd round pick unless we send Dube back as well.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It's from 2021 but not according to this.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/w...ign-and-trade/



So that should mean last year's deadline.

That was written in the summer of 2021, after that season's trade deadline but before free agency had opened. It's completely different from an in-season trade. At the time it was written, those players could only sign 8-year deals with the teams who held their rights at the 2021 trade deadline. The Oilers tried to do a sign and trade deal with the Leafs for Hyman that summer, but weren't willing to pay the Leafs' asking price, so it didn't happen.


After the Stone trade, the CBA was amended to allow a player to sign an 8-year contract with the team who currently holds his rights even if that team didn't hold his rights at the last deadline so long as his current contract is valid through the next trade deadline (even if it's mid-season).

The Horvat trade last season is a perfect example: He was traded on January 30 and signed an 8-year extension with the Islanders on February 5. The trade deadline was March 3. Under the old rules, Horvat wouldn't have been able to sign an 8-year deal with the Islanders until after the trade deadline had passed.



Any player traded before the trade deadline this year can be signed to an 8-year extension by the team that acquires him any time after the trade.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

McLeod isn't much of an asset that we don't have already, would rather a 3rd round pick unless we send Dube back as well.

Actually, that’s not a bad idea.

Dube would be better off playing bottom 6 minutes on a team he likely could pot some points in. He also has the speed to keep up. I think he knows at this rate he is going to have to take another 1 year show me deal because production wise he’s been awful.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I don't see the Devils giving up on McLeod so easily here. He's a center with size and plays the tough matchups and does so effectively, being the Devils' best +/- player. Dube would be a massive backwards step for the Devils at an important role IMO. McLeod is kind of like their Backlund.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I still think McLeod comes to CGY in any deal structure with NJ. Holtz+McLeod makes a lot of sense.

If Conroy plays these cards right, he can walk put with some serious assets to build for the future and round out a roster for the right now.

I don’t see devils shipping off 2/3 of their 3rd line while trying to compete for Stanley Cup. One player yes.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

McLeod isn't much of an asset that we don't have already, would rather a 3rd round pick unless we send Dube back as well.

Who do the Flames have that even approaches McLeod in the same role?

Elite skater. Elite on faceoffs who is currently on pace for the best face off season in NHL history. On pace for 20+ goals, which may be an outlier, but he did score at the junior level.

Hes one of the top 2 or 3 4th line centers in the league. The Flames have someone similar?

In any case, I do not see the Devils moving McLeod.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Probably not going to be a close enough comparable to satisfy you so here’s some random examples to wet your palette.

Chychrun = Protected 1st + two 2nds
Hronek + 4th = Protected 1st + 2nd
Toews = Two 2nds
Trouba = Pionk + 1st
Sergachev + 2nd = Drouin + 6th
Dillon = 2nd + 3rd
Dillon = Two 2nds
Severson = 3rd
Manson = Helleson + 2nd
Barron + 2nd = Lehkonen
Sandin = Gustafson + 1st
Gavrikov + Korpisalo = Quick + 1st + 3rd
McDonagh = Mismash + Myers
McCabe + Lafferty + 2x5ths = Anderson + Gogolev + 1st + 2nd
Leddy + Witkowksi = Walman + Sundqvist + 2nd
Orlov = 5th
Middleton = Kakhonen + 5th
Marino = Smith + 3rd
Lundkvist = 1st + 4th
Romanov + 4th = 1st
Montour = 3rd
Graves = Maltsev + 2nd
Lauzon = 2nd
Jensen + 5th = Bowey + 2nd
Martinez = Two 2nds
Scandella = 2nd + 4th

Orlov was a 3 team trade. He went with Hathaway and the Caps received a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Craig Smith. The reason that does not show up on DB is all the assets are under Hathaway but at best Hathaway was worth the 3rd in that package.

Minnesota got the 5th for taking on salary. But the caps got a 1st/2nd/3rd.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Who do the Flames have that even approaches McLeod in the same role?

Elite skater. Elite on faceoffs who is currently on pace for the best face off season in NHL history. On pace for 20+ goals, which may be an outlier, but he did score at the junior level.

Hes one of the top 2 or 3 4th line centers in the league. The Flames have someone similar?

In any case, I do not see the Devils moving McLeod.

The Flames should not be looking for an elite 4th line forward when trading assets for the rebuild IMO. He would be like picking up Jason Wiemer again.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Appreciate Sec and Dissentowner for the speculation so I can continue ignoring the troll posts in this thread. Really good stuff even if none of it pans out.

100% agree.

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[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think if it does get done it will be a while yet before Conny pulls the trigger. I think the team is going to try and put themselves in the playoff hunt and the longer you can hold into Hanifin the better. If course if NJ budges on Mercer then you pull the trigger but I don't expect they will. In the meantime you can still try and pressure them into it though while giving Kylington more time to see if he can make the jump back to the team. I am sure there are other teams calling on Hanifin as well and who knows, maybe a better offer comes from a desperate GM that doesn't want to miss out. If the 1st and Holtz is on the table but you would prefer a young C in the deal instead you can always circle back to that as we approach the deadline. The closer we get to the deadline the more pressure GM's feel and the more likely Conroy gets his ask.

I don't think New Jersey is going to wait forever to make a move. If Hanifin isn't available now (even though he might be their 1st choice), they will make a move shortly and then the NJ option will be closed. I hope Conroy doesn't wait too long.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Probably not going to be a close enough comparable to satisfy you so here’s some random examples to wet your palette.

Not that it matters much, but it’s “whet your palate”.

[Badgers Nose]

Yeah, I hope Conroy does a last call amongst the interested teams before taking the best offer available to him right now.

If the offer was a 1st and Holtz I think the deal would already be done.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah, I hope Conroy does a last call amongst the interested teams before taking the best offer available to him right now.

If the offer was a 1st and Holtz I think the deal would already be done.

Why do people say this? It is meaningless and completely inaccurate. Trades take time, and regardless of what offers may be on the table, the selling team will continue to look around and see what else is out there. And even if the return is exactly what they want, there are still things that have to get done before a trade can happen.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames should not be looking for an elite 4th line forward when trading assets for the rebuild IMO. He would be like picking up Jason Wiemer again.

I don't think that's a fair assessment of McLeod. He's playing 3rd line C for NJ, because he's behind Hughes and Hirschier.

I would really want Holtz the most though, ahead of Mercer. Mercer is a C but he's playing RW with Hirschier and Haula. Holtz is playing RW with McLeod and Lazar. Holtz plays 11 mins a night to Mercer's 17, and they have basically the same number of points.

Holtz and a 1st all day everyday, thank you very much.

I'd love Holtz, McLeod and a 1st for Hanifin (extended), Dube and a later pick in 2025 or something like that.

Now I'm waiting to be disappointed.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why do people say this? It is meaningless and completely inaccurate. Trades take time, and regardless of what offers may be on the table, the selling team will continue to look around and see what else is out there. And even if the return is exactly what they want, there are still things that have to get done before a trade can happen.

Conroy’s had half a season to gauge the market and see the trends, that’s why. It’s a great return for a rental.

Leading up to BTs departure, Flames have been ‘in’ on every team improving trade everywhere and executed few of them. The administrative stuff can come together in hours, so not sure where you get has to take time idea.

Where there is smoke there is fire, so I believe Sec214 and dissentowner. By their accounts Conroy has been working the phones. He has a pretty good idea of what they are worth now, anything later is a gamble.

This could be the best offer we get and it could end up off the table, just like Hanifin and Lindy’s extensions. You’re right, things change.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Conroy’s had half a season to gauge the market and see the trends, that’s why. It’s a great return for a rental.

Leading up to BTs departure, Flames have been ‘in’ on every team improving trade everywhere and executed few of them. The administrative stuff can come together in hours, so not sure where you get has to take time idea.

Where there is smoke there is fire, so I believe Sec214 and dissentowner. By their accounts Conroy has been working the phones. He has a pretty good idea of what they are worth now, anything later is a gamble.

This could be the best offer we get and it could end up off the table, just like Hanifin and Lindy’s extensions. You’re right, things change.

The first 3 paragraphs are all true. However, 'if that were on the table, it would be done already' does not follow from them. For instance, maybe it IS on the table, but only has been in the last week (or a million other scenarios)

[sureLoss]

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