2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

My take, based on what Conroy is doing, is that Treliving got things his way and that the impatience had nothing to do with ownership.

The approach was all him; ignore the scouts, chase FAs you have an irrational crush on, try to show the hockey world that you are smarter than them all. He fled to the next employer that he could fleece when he realized what a mess he created here - Toronto offered him a face-saving escape. He then proceeded to take the Leafs, an almost finished product, and distorted it with his perverse hockey proclivities. LOL

I think the only directive from ownership is to keep season ticket sales high and sell out the Dome as much as possible. Don't embarrass us.

If Conroy gets it right, and I think he will get as much time as Treliving did, Flames will be an annual playoff participant and then he can figure out how to catch lightning in a bottle to win it all. But you need that base first, absent a generational player.

This makes no sense.

Flames ownership has demonstrated a preference to compete at nearly any expense. There’s over 20 years of evidence to support that. Treliving was here for 7 of them. Sutter, Feaster, Burke, Treliving. All of them operated under the direction to be competitive. The only time they took an intentional step back was when their hand was forced by the franchise icon getting his way out. And when there was the first sign of life, the Flames lept at it.

It’s also simplistic to compare Treliving’s situation vs. Conroy’s. They’re different. There were no plans for a new arena in 2014. I think Conroy has been granted a period of grace to ‘rebuild’. But I also bet that if the team isn’t on an upswing by the time the new arena is open we will start to see the same or similar moves Treliving, Feaster, and Sutter made (trading picks, questionable UFA signings) in an attempt to get better now.

I think it’s also inaccurate to say with Treliving the ‘approach was all him’. If you were in a place where your boss ignored you, would you stay there? Why did Conroy, Snow, Pascal, Button, Maloney, all stay for years? Just to be warm bodies in a chair? If that’s true, it sure doesn’t speak well to the Flames as a healthy organization or their prospects for success seeing as there’s significantly the same people involved. Is Conroy doing it all by himself? How do we know?

Treliving’s deserves criticism but people sure like to believe what they want to. Need that throat to choke, I guess.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by traptor

Kadri would actually be a great fit for the Leafs this year, especially if they can't get Bennett.

They really have nothing that would be worth moving him for though.

So many other top teams still have cards in play to push for key players. Like Carolina did to land Rantanen/Stankoven. They really have absolutely nothing, and need to rely on Knies taking Marners place for production. Dallas and Carolina have more pieces they could move to improve for a run.

Only option for the leafs is going to be free agency. Which is going to lead to a bigger mess.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

11.6M they would basically need to give him away no? Giving him away would be a win if they spent the money wisely

I think it would definitely cost a bit more for a rival to grab him.

With the assets we get from Andersson I wouldn’t mind using them for Pettersson. I’m on the “if the price is right” boat, so if the Canucks are just looking for someone to overpay then they’re asking the wrong GM because I doubt Conroy would.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

If we could get Pettersson with one of Kadri or Huberdeau going the other way I'd do it in a heartbeat.

There's just so much skill there, and I think he will get back to being a 90 point player with his new team.

He's the exact type of player you do NOT want to build around. Soft and has no extra drive come playoff time. A regular season point fluffer who disappears at the most important time of the year. Also a potential locker room cancer. All for the cool low price of 11.6 million until *checks contract* 2031-32!!!

#### that noise. Stay far, far away from him.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He's the exact type of player you do NOT want to build around. Soft and has no extra drive come playoff time. A regular season point fluffer who disappears at the most important time of the year. Also a potential locker room cancer. All for the cool low price of 11.6 million until *checks contract* 2031-32!!!

#### that noise. Stay far, far away from him.

Huby may never put up his Florida numbers again but at least he tries on the ice and by all accounts seems like a good guy and teammate

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He's the exact type of player you do NOT want to build around. Soft and has no extra drive come playoff time. A regular season point fluffer who disappears at the most important time of the year. Also a potential locker room cancer. All for the cool low price of 11.6 million until *checks contract* 2031-32!!!

#### that noise. Stay far, far away from him.

How quickly people's perception changes. He had 7G, and 18P in 17GP in his first playoff run with the Canucks, while playing 19:22 a night as a 21 year old. I agree that he was disappointing in the last playoffs for Van, and this year is a bit of a write off.

That said, I think this has more to do with the situation he's in than his actual drive. He did win the Le Mat Trophy in SWE where he was the MVP, and had one of the best U20 seasons in the SHL. Also won the Calder trophy despite being bullied like Bedard in his first season.

Anyway, I don't buy the narrative that you don't win with player X, especially when he's only 26, and had his first bad season in the NHL.

People were taking shots at PLD in LA, Chychrun in OTT, but both found themselves a nice home in WSH. The same can be said of Reinhart in BUF.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

How quickly people's perception changes. He had 7G, and 18P in 17GP in his first playoff run with the Canucks, while playing 19:22 a night as a 21 year old. I agree that he was disappointing in the last playoffs for Van, and this year is a bit of a write off.

That said, I think this has more to do with the situation he's in than his actual drive. He did win the Le Mat Trophy in SWE where he was the MVP, and had one of the best U20 seasons in the SHL. Also won the Calder trophy despite being bullied like Bedard in his first season.

Anyway, I don't buy the narrative that you don't win with player X, especially when he's only 26, and had his first bad season in the NHL.

People were taking shots at PLD in LA, Chychrun in OTT, but both found themselves a nice home in WSH. The same can be said of Reinhart in BUF.

What I'm saying is that if you pay a guy 11.6 million, he needs to be a guy that can do everything for you. Petey is NOT that guy and his contract would be a hindrance to getting/keeping the guys that would actually do the things needed to win in the playoffs. I've watched him play enough. He wilts under pressure and tends to be a soft peripheral player who doesn't push through when the contact goes up in the playoffs. Talented as hell, but so was Kent Nilsson. He kinda reminds me of him.

I'm still not sold on PLD as he is very up and down and could very well be down again next year. Chychrun is a little different, as he was just a poor fit in Ottawa, but has played well everywhere else. I can't get fault any player in Buffalo not performing well enough because that place is a #### show, so I don't think much about Reinhart's criticisms.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Huby may never put up his Florida numbers again but at least he tries on the ice and by all accounts seems like a good guy and teammate

Looking at his career stats he’s much more in line with his average, and two seasons seem like huge outliers. If he was a free agent this off season I don’t see him coming in considerably less than he makes now.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This makes no sense.

Treliving’s deserves criticism but people sure like to believe what they want to. Need that throat to choke, I guess.

Your response is equally speculative.

Sure we see what we want to see, that's fandom. We don't have all the back room facts.

Sutter's approach here is exactly the same as he plied elsewhere. Treliving too. Is Murray Edwards to blame for their failures (or successes) elsewhere?

Edwards might see this ownership as community involvement and participation in a sport he loves. But it's nearly impossible to imagine him being involved in the day to day activities of the team the way some fans accuse him of. Maybe really big franchise decisions, or ones where management are on thin ice. I'd be willing to bet he hates having to step in.

It's equally simplistic to blame him for everything. I'm not one for defending billionaires, but that's the position I find myself in reading this board sometimes. That anti Edwards sentiment is what I was responding to, and as I said it's my take without all the facts - just like yours.

I'm not married to it, but until I see facts to refute it I am keeping it.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

How quickly people's perception changes. He had 7G, and 18P in 17GP in his first playoff run with the Canucks, while playing 19:22 a night as a 21 year old. I agree that he was disappointing in the last playoffs for Van, and this year is a bit of a write off.

That said, I think this has more to do with the situation he's in than his actual drive. He did win the Le Mat Trophy in SWE where he was the MVP, and had one of the best U20 seasons in the SHL. Also won the Calder trophy despite being bullied like Bedard in his first season.

Anyway, I don't buy the narrative that you don't win with player X, especially when he's only 26, and had his first bad season in the NHL.

People were taking shots at PLD in LA, Chychrun in OTT, but both found themselves a nice home in WSH. The same can be said of Reinhart in BUF.

I agree, lots of young players struggle in the playoffs. You know it's a decent idea as a buy low candidate when more poeple disagree than agree with you.

His cap in $113 mil cap world could be a steal if he bounces back. IMO he is a #1

[The Fonz]

I’d be willing to take a chance on Pettersen & his contract. He seems like he’s both physically and mentally soft, but the skill is undeniable. He’s a young player, and sometimes they gotta grow out of their attitude/commitment problems (and a lot of times they don’t!).

Given I’ve been a diehard fan for 25yrs and the closest I’ve seen to a true #1C on this team is Lindholm/Kadri, I’m willing to take the risk on Pettersen.

#1Cs like Eichel and now possibly Pettersen never come available unless there are risks of some kind.

[Finger Cookin]

Stay far away from Pettersen please.

[Sandman]

Every time I see Pettersen being interviewed, I always want to punch him in the face.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Every time I see Pettersen being interviewed, I always want to punch him in the face.

Make sure you don’t miss and hit him in the neck, ‘cause it would likely snap and result in his head rolling on the floor. Bad optics.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Every time I see Pettersen being interviewed, I always want to punch him in the face.

Only reason to not stay far away from Pettersen

[Vinny01]

If Pettersson for Huberdeau one for one or with a small add from the Flames was on the table it would be something that Conroy would at least have to stop and consider. You take the extra year of term and $1.1M in AAV but get 6 years younger. It would be the Flames hoping a change of scenery would be what is needed to get Pettersson back on track

[Sandman]

Perhaps a trade to a team that’s “not his” would be beneficial to him. I don’t think he should be wearing a “C” either.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Looking at his career stats he’s much more in line with his average, and two seasons seem like huge outliers. If he was a free agent this off season I don’t see him coming in considerably less than he makes now.

He's owed $10.5M over the next 6 seasons.

He's been on a 56 point pace in his 3 years with Calagry.

He's 32 in a few days.

No one is giving him that contract. If they would, we could trade him.

During his prime years he was over a PPG pace.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Pettersson for Huberdeau one for one or with a small add from the Flames was on the table it would be something that Conroy would at least have to stop and consider. You take the extra year of term and $1.1M in AAV but get 6 years younger. It would be the Flames hoping a change of scenery would be what is needed to get Pettersson back on track

I would do that trade and immediately put Pettersson on the market.

Simply as a way to move Huberdeau's contract.

There is some sort of market for Pettersson. Or at least I think there is.

[dammage79]

Go get Petterson. I believe he can bounce back to a 100p center.