[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[GioforPM]

WAYCO, since you agree that better PPG = better player, I just realized that Backlund's PPG this year > Glencross'. Interesting.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

I've danced with you before on this, I'm hoping / assuming with 30 odd games left both will stay healthy down the stretch.

Say they do, the way Glencross has been preforming lately on offense his PPG will sink like a stone. I think he's waiting to be traded and his heart isn't in it, I'm not sold on him being a big offensive contributor for this team if he played out the season. His PPG doesn't mean much to me when he only has one assist in the last 7 games.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I don't think the Flames should have closure on Sven by the end of this year. He has a good chance at training hard this summer and stealing a LW spot next year.

Giving up on Sven this year would be like giving up on Backlund a few years ago.

Those 2 players are different and in different situations. Backs inherited a spot because old management didn't know what centremen were, apparently. This is the first year of his life, where there has been 4-5 guys who can actually play the position adequately.

Sven is in a complete and utter log jam, a million of him on the roster and a million of him next to him in the minors.

There is no way he will be given the patience (right or wrong) that Backs was given, the roster makeup won't allow it

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

One of the biggest culprits for the lack of offense lately is Glencross himself.

But he's also rockin' the 3rd line and not being played with the top line enough.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

But he's also rockin' the 3rd line and not being played with the top line enough.

Are you advocating breaking up the top line just to give Glencross more time with two of them?

Not sure that's a great idea. Glencross can make things happen with lesser/different linemates, he's just not getting it done.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

WAYCO, since you agree that better PPG = better player, I just realized that Backlund's PPG this year > Glencross'. Interesting.

Back's has Super Lance and Rejuvenated Jones on his line! And this shouldn't be my argument, ever... but they've played overhead of late.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Are you advocating breaking up the top line just to give Glencross more time with two of them?

Not sure that's a great idea. Glencross can make things happen with lesser/different linemates, he's just not getting it done.

Before when we were winning and the top line was producing = No.

But, now were seeing them sputtering and if they continue lines will have to be jogged. Problem is we don't have a true playmaking center. Bless Monahan as he is growing into that (which was unexpected) but the only true distributors are Hudler and Gaudreau.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

But he's also rockin' the 3rd line and not being played with the top line enough.

Because he isn't productive enough when given those minutes, not because of some grand conspiracy to keep Glencross from scoring goals.

Though Glencross' utility is undeniable, there are signs that his two-way game is beginning to fall off.

While some of this could be usage related, all seven of the forwards with whom Glencross has spent at least 150 minutes playing with at 5-on-5 over the past three seasons have done worse by shot attempt differential with Glencross than they've done logging minutes without him. That's generally a sign of a diminishing fastball, especially for a middle-six guy.

The 32-year-old forward has also been pretty fortunate by the bounces this season at both ends of the rink. It seems likely that Glencross' on-ice goal differential and his point totals are propped up somewhat by unsustainable percentages that are beyond his control. That has to be a concern. Glencross' percentage boost makes it much more difficult to evaluate him, particularly because his 5-on-5 shot rate has been on the decline for the past three seasons.

I don't even know why I'm bothering, but there you go. Calgary is the 10th highest scoring team in the league and Glencross is having trouble scoring goals. He's playing a diminished 3rd line role because Josh Jooris and Lance Bouma are playing better hockey. There's no question part of that is due to nagging injuries etc, but again, that's the problem with a guy who is/gets injured all the time.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Giving up on Sven this year would be like giving up on Backlund a few years ago.

No, it wouldn't. When Backlund was in the situation Baertschi finds himself currently in, Backlund as the best prospect in the Flames system and no one else really pushing him at the position. Baertschi is not the best prospect for the Flames and has been bypassed by several players in the system at his position. Baertschi is at a crossroads and for good reason. He has not produced even remotely close to the level expected of him and shows limited potential to do so. He isn't a very good prospect any more and is one of those guys who may only achieve success in another organization where expectations are not at the same level.

[SuperMatt18]

If it is a prospect Carrick or Bowey would be nice.

A Wotherspoon-Carrick/Bowey pairing could have some good potential in a few years.

Hell Wotherspoon-Carrick might be a better pairing then our 3rd pairing right now.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by New Era

No, it wouldn't. When Backlund was in the situation Baertschi finds himself currently in, Backlund as the best prospect in the Flames system and no one else really pushing him at the position. Baertschi is not the best prospect for the Flames and has been bypassed by several players in the system at his position. Baertschi is at a crossroads and for good reason. He has not produced even remotely close to the level expected of him and shows limited potential to do so. He isn't a very good prospect any more and is one of those guys who may only achieve success in another organization where expectations are not at the same level.

He is still a good prospect.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by New Era

No, it wouldn't. When Backlund was in the situation Baertschi finds himself currently in, Backlund as the best prospect in the Flames system and no one else really pushing him at the position. Baertschi is not the best prospect for the Flames and has been bypassed by several players in the system at his position. Baertschi is at a crossroads and for good reason. He has not produced even remotely close to the level expected of him and shows limited potential to do so. He isn't a very good prospect any more and is one of those guys who may only achieve success in another organization where expectations are not at the same level.

I'd also suggest Backlund's issues early on were for the most part injury based. Every time he started to play well he got hurt. When he got some consistent playing time because he was healthy, he was pretty good. Sven's issues were not injury based - they were coaching decisions based on play alone.

[Muta]

I'm starting to believe that Treliving wouldn't approach Glencross to expand his list to include Washington unless they have received an offer on the table that would be very hard to turn down.

Somehow, I don't think 'Jay Beagle and pick' is something that Treliving couldn't get from the current teams on Glencross' list.

There's gotta be something that has gotten Treliving excited here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

He is still a good prospect.

I doubt that. Baertschi is in his third professional season and his numbers are trending down, which is the opposite direction you hope them to go. Baertschi just isn't showing enough to be considered a good prospect any more. The only thing making people believe that is the extraordinary success he experienced in a short stint four years ago. He's showed little since. The shine is off his star.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

a. Don't use that name.
b. Yes, better PPG player (usually in years where he couldn't play lots of games). Are you limiting your post to that single stat or did you want to look at all of the other things people said?
c. Does better PPG = better player for you?

Ever since a discussion a month or so ago in the off topic forum, where it was revealed that Xmas was actually a shorthand term used by Christians to denote Christ (from long, long ago), I have thought that the nickname of GlenX was hilarious.

The originator of the whole Brouwer thing tried to put this discussion to bed already. It was simply a comparable. Washington would never trade Brouwer.

Carrick is strong offensively, but a work in progress defensively, from what I understand. Orlov is the opposite, and Bowey is all around good at everything.

Edit : I didn't realize I hadn't refreshed this page in a while, so everything that I just said is very stale. If Granlund has much more value than Sven at this point, would it be more reasonable to talk about Granlund in a trade? Sven's trade value is low right now, so why trade him?

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by Red John

Couldn't imagine the Capitals being dumb enough to consider parting with Bowey. His value should be higher than a 1st round pick right now.

However if the Flames could somehow snag Bowey that would be outstanding. He is going to be a top-4 defenseman in the NHL for a VERY long time and his upside is tremendous. He will be a star.

They were dumb enough to trade Forsberg for Erat.. Lets hope they're still dumb

[codynw]

Originally Posted by skudr248

They were dumb enough to trade Forsberg for Erat.. Lets hope they're still dumb

This has been brought up many times.. But again, it's different management.

[dfsflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I can't see a Bowey return, unless we sweeten the pot considerably. Can't see Brouwer either, because, umm, why?
Anyone have intel on Carrick mentioned earlier. Young D is all I know.

4. (5) Connor Carrick, D, 7.0 C
Drafted 5th round, 137th overall, 2012

Carrick is the epitome of a Washington Capitals defenseman over the last decade: He is a strong skater with good offensive instincts, but he could stand to improve his play in his own end. Carrick has already had a cup of coffee in the NHL, but he’s been very impressive with Hershey of the AHL during 2014-15. His 30 points in 46 games is outstanding for a defenseman and he looks like he has all the tools to be a quality top-four defenseman for the Capitals very soon. Yet another late-round steal that is looking like a gem for the Capitals.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...imming-talent/

[Harry Lime]

Winnik to the Pens is about to set the market for Glencross.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by New Era

I doubt that. Baertschi is in his third professional season and his numbers are trending down, which is the opposite direction you hope them to go. Baertschi just isn't showing enough to be considered a good prospect any more. The only thing making people believe that is the extraordinary success he experienced in a short stint four years ago. He's showed little since. The shine is off his star.

I think he was/is a good prospect, with or without that short stint. It may be fair to say that the expectations were too high based on that (thanks, Jay), but to write him off because his numbers are trending down isn't exercising good judgement. I doubt that he has lost the individual skill set that made him a high pick, but he is learning the pro game and is still young. Look at his draft year. Those picked above him are, generally, out performing him, but there are a ton of guys drafted below that have not had an impact yet. Some will suceed and some wont. I can't but Sven in either camp just yet.