I still think there’s next to no chance Columbus does it. Simply while they need to field a good team they also are in a cap world. Young entry level players need to develop and grow and be under team control for awhile. If anything it’d be for the 23rd overall but not the 3rd. Getting a star for years to come sounds a lot more appealing than an older guy.
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I can’t imagine anyone, even the biggest Lindholm fan (myself included!), who would not trade him or even a package where he’s the biggest piece for 3OA in this draft.
Which is why I think it’s impossible.
Would be fun, though.
I think it's as dumb as anyone, but a CLB guy brought it up so I think it is fair game to speculate.
One thing I wondered... CLB has so much cap room and no goalie. What if we offered Markstrom and Lindholm in a package. You would be reasonably assured that Lindholm will sign in that case since you are sending his cousin with him. You hopefully ignite some chemistry by getting the 4 Flames back together... Get a little mojo that way. I mean, if Jarmo is thinking to himself that he might get fired if they don't at least make the playoffs, this could be a pretty good way to do it for them. And I think he could sell that to the higher ups as well.
One thing I really hope Conroy does differently than Treliving did is I hope he truly views cap space as an asset.
I swear it was like Treliving would rush to reach the salary cap the second he had any space.
When assessing re-signing these 7 pending free-agents it's not just the return you get in a trade but the opportunity cost of the salaries that you will be giving them and what else you can do with that cap space.
I don't think they trade all 7 UFAs but if you end up trading Toffoli, Tanev, Backlund due to their age (unless they are going to take a huge discount) and then Lindholm/Hanifin potentially due to their contract asks you have two types of assets.
Not only are you looking at a bunch of assets if you trade those guys (4 1sts +) then you are also looking at about $20-25M in cap space that opens up, and that opens up opportunities.
Look at Seattle last year...they were able to add a 50 point player in Oliver Bjorkstrand for a 3rd round pick because they had the cap space to take advantage of that.
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One thing I really hope Conroy does differently than Treliving did is I hope he truly views cap space as an asset.
I swear it was like Treliving would rush to reach the salary cap the second he had any space.
When assessing re-signing these 7 pending free-agents it's not just the return you get in a trade but the opportunity cost of the salaries that you will be giving them and what else you can do with that cap space.
I don't think they trade all 7 UFAs but if you end up Toffoli, Tanev, Backlund due to their age (unless they are going to take a huge discount) and then Lindholm/Hanifin would potentially be moved too.
So not only are you looking at a bunch of assets if you trade those guys (4 1sts +) then you are also looking at about $20-25M in cap space that opens up, and that opens up opportunities.
Look at Seattle last year...they were able to add a 50 point player in Oliver Bjorkstrand for a 3rd round pick because they had the cap space to take advantage of that.
Tolvanen was another add that is looking pretty good for Seattle.
I think it is possible we see most of the UFA's moved if a guy like Lindholm is traded. Depends on the return but I think if the Flames traded Lindholm and Hanifin for picks and prospects they should trade Tanev, Backlund and Toffoli with 50% salary retained. If he loaded up on prospects and let Phillips, Zary, Pelletier, Wolf play, I think he would still have room for a cap dump for cheap from other team. He might even get in in the Lindholm and Hanifin deals.
I'd love to see him load up on picks if these guys are moved, not spend on anyone this summer and see where we are at next summer. There are still enough vets on this team that I don't see this roster being that bad. Even Arizona at times last year looked decent.
You have room for 1 or 2 guys that are cap dumps, Klapka maybe could fit in the 4th line role. Hopefully Zadorov and Kylington resign. This roster is not making the playoffs but there is potential and our prospect pool with have new additions, whoever we take at 16 and Coronato still coming. We also likely are getting a top 8 pick in next draft, maybe even higher and have millions in cap space the following summer. I would be all for this
Tolvanen was another add that is looking pretty good for Seattle.
I think it is possible we see most of the UFA's moved if a guy like Lindholm is traded. Depends on the return but I think if the Flames traded Lindholm and Hanifin for picks and prospects they should trade Tanev, Backlund and Toffoli with 50% salary retained. If he loaded up on prospects and let Phillips, Zary, Pelletier, Wolf play, I think he would still have room for a cap dump for cheap from other team. He might even get in in the Lindholm and Hanifin deals.
I'd love to see him load up on picks if these guys are moved, not spend on anyone this summer and see where we are at next summer. There are still enough vets on this team that I don't see this roster being that bad. Even Arizona at times last year looked decent.
You have room for 1 or 2 guys that are cap dumps, Klapka maybe could fit in the 4th line role. Hopefully Zadorov and Kylington resign. This roster is not making the playoffs but there is potential and our prospect pool with have new additions, whoever we take at 16 and Coronato still coming. We also likely are getting a top 8 pick in next draft, maybe even higher and have millions in cap space the following summer. I would be all for this
Top 8? That roster probably puts us in #1 territory, which would be a dream come true for me.
Top 8? That roster probably puts us in #1 territory, which would be a dream come true for me.
I say top 8 because you just don't know with prospects and with players bouncing back. You could say Seattle was a bottom 8 team that ended up in the playoffs and the 2nd round of the playoffs where they lost in game 7.
Arizona was critcized as going to far with the rebuild, how will they even have a roster they traded so much away. They managed to finish well out of the bottom 3 and at times looked like they have some decent players to move forward with.
Huberdeau is a star. Markstrom can't be worse. Kadri probably plays better and who knows out of your prospects who steps up and plays well. Every year there is rookies who surprise everyone and play better than they were projected to play. The Flames just rarely have these players because we never play any of our secondary prospects. If you aren't a Tkachuk we just send you to the AHL til your 23-24.
A good example of this is Wyatt Johnston. He's already played 82 games on a team that is in the confernce finals, had a big year and was drafted well behind Coronato. If I suggested that Coronato play in the NHL this year, I bet most would say "no way" "too soon" "he needs to play in the AHL for a year". If he is good enough, this is the year to play these guys. Conroy may not have a supertstar prospect but he has a bunch of kids that all could make the leap at once.
I think it's as dumb as anyone, but a CLB guy brought it up so I think it is fair game to speculate.
One thing I wondered... CLB has so much cap room and no goalie. What if we offered Markstrom and Lindholm in a package. You would be reasonably assured that Lindholm will sign in that case since you are sending his cousin with him. You hopefully ignite some chemistry by getting the 4 Flames back together... Get a little mojo that way. I mean, if Jarmo is thinking to himself that he might get fired if they don't at least make the playoffs, this could be a pretty good way to do it for them. And I think he could sell that to the higher ups as well.
Not all Swedes are cousins... You were probably thinking of the guy that played for TO last year, Järnkrok.
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Tolvanen was another add that is looking pretty good for Seattle.
I think it is possible we see most of the UFA's moved if a guy like Lindholm is traded. Depends on the return but I think if the Flames traded Lindholm and Hanifin for picks and prospects they should trade Tanev, Backlund and Toffoli with 50% salary retained. If he loaded up on prospects and let Phillips, Zary, Pelletier, Wolf play, I think he would still have room for a cap dump for cheap from other team. He might even get in in the Lindholm and Hanifin deals.
I'd love to see him load up on picks if these guys are moved, not spend on anyone this summer and see where we are at next summer. There are still enough vets on this team that I don't see this roster being that bad. Even Arizona at times last year looked decent.
You have room for 1 or 2 guys that are cap dumps, Klapka maybe could fit in the 4th line role. Hopefully Zadorov and Kylington resign. This roster is not making the playoffs but there is potential and our prospect pool with have new additions, whoever we take at 16 and Coronato still coming. We also likely are getting a top 8 pick in next draft, maybe even higher and have millions in cap space the following summer. I would be all for this
Not even teams in tear-it-down rebuilds dress 7 rookies in their lineup. I imagine Huberdeau and Kadri would be very unhappy with that kind of strip-down, and making them happy is job 1 for next season.
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I do like Weegar a lot, but I also get a lot of Ian White vibes in the way some people try to look at that trade. Again, Weegar is obviously not White, but ...well that trade looks pretty bad in hindsight now, no denying.
Tkachuk is doing great and great for him.
But this is NOWHERE NEAR the Phaneuf trade.
Flames got 2 legit top players at their positions back for him, picks & a prospect.
Phaneuf returned 4th line garbage and 6/7 dman. That deal is likely the 2nd worst trade in the history of the Flames it was that bad.
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That one still annoys me. He was free and we had the cap space, total miss on there.
This is an advantage of going into a season with the mindset that we are doing a retool. You are more likely to look at these players.
There were tons of people on CP that had no interest the day he was on waivers. The mentality was we are gunning for the playoffs and he's been bad in Nashville. More likely to take a chance on a guy like this if you aren't gunning for the playoffs.
Of course, Seattle made it to the playoffs and got a guy that put up 30 goal pace for them, is 24 and is team controlled for a few years.
