Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wormius]

Can we drop the hyperbole? It’s a little over the top. There isn’t a “crisis” and Canada isn’t in shambles or at risk of any serious peril or catastrophe.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't even think that makes sense? Like if I'm Carney and want to be PM, I let the party freefall into the next election and win a handful of seats. Then run in the inevitable leadership and be the guy to rejuvenate the party from there?

Given the shot's fired from the Finance Minister and the economic situation, the level of crisis is on a different level. Carney has the chops to restore confidence, not really the party, in short order in some capacity.

This government is facing such an uphill battle and they are coming up with schemes where shoe's at 24.25 cm's qualify for incentives but ones at 24.5 don't.

Given the concerns, I just don't see a scenario where a legit, top contender from a finance and economic perspective doesn't emerge quickly to tackle this crisis in some capacity.

Canada can't afford for some Trudeau nitwit who check's some boxes in various ways to start leading.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Can we drop the hyperbole? It’s a little over the top. There isn’t a “crisis” and Canada isn’t in shambles or at risk of any serious peril or catastrophe.

Finance Ministers, like central bank governors have such carefully worded statements to avoid spooking markets. This weekend's events and Freeland's words are shocking in directness and in straight contradiction to what Trudeau has been saying.

Canadian's probably won't go hungry over this but this isn't some small time event or policy disagreement. Government's around the world are putting in serious plans in place to mitigate the Trump admin's tariff issues and Canada's FM, who happens to be Miss Loyalty as well, just told the country and the the world that Trudeau and his top people are worried about anything but what is at stake.

[Looch City]

Canada, as we know it, is basically over.

We are now a #### hole country.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Can we drop the hyperbole? It’s a little over the top. There isn’t a “crisis” and Canada isn’t in shambles or at risk of any serious peril or catastrophe.

Hyperbole only allowed for Alberta politics.

[PepsiFree]

The same people who have endlessly mocked and criticized Freeland are suddenly treating her as some wise economic sage because she posted a resignation letter on Twitter before news of her being replaced was announced.

I’m here for it.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The same people who have endlessly mocked and criticized Freeland are suddenly treating her as some wise economic sage because she posted a resignation letter on Twitter before news of her being replaced was announced.

I’m here for it.

She was never a serious finance minister. That said the way she's going out is trying to salvage her future political career and having this go down like this doesn't look good on Trudeau.

[TorqueDog]

I thought people had Freeland pegged as the 'next leader, waiting in the wings' of the LPC. I guess even she realized the writing is on the wall for this era of the party.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry man you know I appreciate you I just find it genuinely funny you’re on this like “I’m not wasting my time” kick while continuing to engage regardless.

It’s like people who say they have you on ignore but then continue to respond to you. Like… who are we fooling here.

Yeaaaaaah, I know. It's moreso just stating I'm not going to waste my time with a much longer and more in-depth response when I know their reply isn't seriously engaging with the content of the post... or when I feel like I'm talking to a post.

[burn_this_city]

Not sure if people have seen the graph of Canadian GDP per capita vs US, UK, EU. We basically lost a decade of GDP and productivity growth and outside of Alberta at the moment things seem pretty awful.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Can we drop the hyperbole? It’s a little over the top. There isn’t a “crisis” and Canada isn’t in shambles or at risk of any serious peril or catastrophe.

It's a crisis, shambles, serious peril and catastrophe for the Liberal party.
I don't know if anyone said it was those things for Canada; but I'd agree it's hyperbole if someone did.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

It's a crisis, shambles, serious peril and catastrophe for the Liberal party.
I don't know if anyone said it was those things for Canada; but I'd agree it's hyperbole if someone did.

Yeah, that's too far. While I think Canada is certainly at serious risk - addictions crisis, housing issues and the risk of Trump doing insane things with tariffs are all very big problems that don't seem to be getting addressed.

But certainly things are much, much worse for the Liberal party than they are for Canada as a country.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Given the shot's fired from the Finance Minister and the economic situation, the level of crisis is on a different level. Carney has the chops to restore confidence, not really the party, in short order in some capacity.

This government is facing such an uphill battle and they are coming up with schemes where shoe's at 24.25 cm's qualify for incentives but ones at 24.5 don't.

Given the concerns, I just don't see a scenario where a legit, top contender from a finance and economic perspective doesn't emerge quickly to tackle this crisis in some capacity.

Canada can't afford for some Trudeau nitwit who check's some boxes in various ways to start leading.

Canada can't afford to take advice from anyone who can't use apostrophes correctly.

Meanwhile, actual economists say it's not that bad:

https://thoughtleadership.rbc.com/ca...ut-challenges/

https://economics.td.com/ca-real-gdp

https://capitalmarkets.bmo.com/en/ne...k-on-the-mend/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Canada is in a financial crisis and it's been exasperated by foolish and piss poor leadership at the top. The level of shot's fired at the PM from Freeland is interesting but Canada needs someone like Carney at the table because of the coming tsunami from the Trump administration. Trudeau isn't capable of managing his children's pocket and allowance money let alone a G7's economy.

We will see what happens but for all we know, we could legit see a potential scenario where Trudeau does not survive this politically and Mark Carney is quickly elected party leader and PM in fairly short order.

He'd need to run and win in a by election to sit in the house though, and the number of safe seats has been dramatically reduced.


He'd be foolish to be associated with this party right now, or step into the finance role. He'd be better served to let the party be destroyed have them sweep out any sign of Trudeau or his friends, and then spend the next 4 years trying to bring credibility back to the Liberal Party.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think Canada is certainly at serious risk - addictions crisis, housing issues and the risk of Trump doing insane things with tariffs are all very big problems that don't seem to be getting addressed.

But certainly things are much, much worse for the Liberal party than they are for Canada as a country.

The thing is that any replacement for the Liberal Party almost certainly makes things worse. The CPC just isn't credible as a government.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The thing is that any replacement for the Liberal Party almost certainly makes things worse. The CPC just isn't credible as a government.

How can you say any replacement makes things worse? What objective metric could you point to? I think PP is a snake, but I don't see how any gov't does a worse job with the economy, immigration or just about anything else than this dumpster fire has.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Official that Sean Fraser is leaving after the cabinet shuffle this week. So he's going to want to separate himself from the Liberals probably til after the next election to take a run at the leadership.

I would assume that this is not the case given that he isn't seeking re-election.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

How can you say any replacement makes things worse? What objective metric could you point to? I think PP is a snake, but I don't see how any gov't does a worse job with the economy, immigration or just about anything else than this dumpster fire has.

Because (a) the Liberals have not actually been that bad with the economy or immigration - you are believing right wing spin and (b) PP is an absolute moron on any actual issue.

Tell me what the CPC policies on the economy are and how in the hell they can implement them.

Right wingers were crowing about Trudeau having a "record" unemployment figure that happened to be lower than under Harper's entire term.

[Manhattanboy]

Maybe the new finance minister will be able to use words with more than one syllable and without two second delays between each word.

Freeland speaks like she’s a kindergarten teacher and it drives me nuts.

[shotinthebacklund]

MP Drouin, just openly said on the news its time for Trudeau to leave. Whats the over/under government prorogues today? Our standing government is in shambles.
EDIT: up to 3 now MP's now.

[Monahammer]

Crisis for Canada. Hm.

It is certainly embarrassing for Canada to have a government and cabinet that can't agree on basically anything, even the sycophants that have propped Trudeau up over the last few years are running for high ground.

It is definitely a disaster for the liberal party. They were already extremely short on qualified, responsible governors to handle major portfolios and they've lost someone (who may not have been qualified) that was likely one of the stronger thinkers in the party. They also lost her in a humiliating way- the tweeting of her own "resignation" letter where she specifically outlines that the prime minister is trying to run the economy into the ground is a very bad look.

It could be a political crisis for Canada. How does the liberal party come back from this? They are about to be ass kicked even harder than post Dion. It's probably the single saving grace that they have no real competition on the left as the NDP have looked absolutely inept and incapable of basic decision making. That would shunt the Conservatives into a nice situation for holding power for multiple terms, with no logical or real opposition until at least the next term. IMO we are going to see the bloc as the official opposition at this rate.