2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Shazam]

Just trade everyone that can be traded and don't re-sign any pending UFAs. This current team is boring.

[FlamesAddiction]

I have heard some say that Fantilli, Carlsson, and Michkov are closer to Bedard in tier than they are to the players ranked after them. Only time will tell if that ends up being the case, but if it is, I don't think you can look at typical draft and think the same projections would apply to this one.

[Hackey]

No one is giving 3rd overall for Lindholm. No one's even giving a top 10 pick for Lindholm. If we could get a mid 1st I'd be happy.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No one is giving 3rd overall for Lindholm. No one's even giving a top 10 pick for Lindholm. If we could get a mid 1st I'd be happy.

But, but, but, Portzline!

I laughed when I read the Athletics mailbag this morning. I hope he's right, I'd love that trade possibility to be true, but I think he must have still been drunk from the night before when he wrote that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He is the Blue Jackets insider and has broken trades around the NHL it's not a schmuck who is saying this he's a respected reporter in the NHL.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Would be an absolute dream come true if the Flames got to have another top 5 pick, especially to start the retool. I know the article says Lindholm + 2023 2nd, but I’d take that even further and do Lindholm + 16th OA + 48th OA + prospect or 3rd round pick from 24/25 for 3rd overall + 22nd OA. Don’t mind moving 6 spots down from our own pick and adding a prospect or a mid pick to the original deal.

Originally Posted by mile

Assuming Fantilli is #2, who would you guys pick at #3 if this extremely unlikely scenario were to happen

Smith or Carlsson. Whatever management would decide.

[Flamesfan05]

I would be an instant Conroy fan if he somehow can get that Columbus 3rd pick for Lindholm

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is the Blue Jackets insider and has broken trades around the NHL it's not a schmuck who is saying this he's a respected reporter in the NHL.

Yeah, but it's just him spit balling. He's not saying it's a rumour, he was just answering a mail in question. He doesn't think the trade is crazy. Doesn't mean there is anything there.

Why pay $7M more than the 3rd overall pick who might be just as productive as Lindholm next year, and most certainly in following years.

For Johnny? Hah! Because it makes them a contender? Hardly! Because of all of Lindholm's incredible post season success? What? His intangibles?

CBJ is a dumpster fire, last thing they need to do is spend more money and assets. They need a real GM to come in and leverage all that good stuff their scouts keep finding.

Maybe GMJK makes this tarde and finally gets canned. LOL

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah, but it's just him spit balling. He's not saying it's a rumour, he was just answering a mail in question. He doesn't think the trade is crazy. Doesn't mean there is anything there.

Why pay $7M more than the 3rd overall pick who might be just as productive as Lindholm next year, and most certainly in following years.

For Johnny? Hah! Because it makes them a contender? Hardly! Because of all of Lindholm's incredible post season success? What? His intangibles?

CBJ is a dumpster fire, last thing they need to do is spend more money and assets. They need a real GM to come in and leverage all that good stuff their scouts keep finding.

Maybe GMJK makes this tarde and finally gets canned. LOL

Stop trying to convince them otherwise this is the right move for them.

In my heart Lindholm is already a Blue Jacket.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Why pay $7M more than the 3rd overall pick who might be just as productive as Lindholm next year, and most certainly in following years.

While I agree paying the pick and $$ cost is a trade I wouldn't do, lets not get ahead of ourselves on the instant production of a 3rd overall pick, or any picks that arent generational in the draft

Here are the last 4 drafts

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2019e.html
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2020e.html
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2021e.html
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2022e.html

From 2022 there is 1 forward (or player) who played and its Slafkovsky with 10 pts in 39 games from 1st overall

From 2021 the top 4 drafted forwards combined have 163 points in 463 games (29 points a season average)

From 2020 the top 4 drafted forward combined have 403 points in 681 games (48 points a season average)

From 2019, excluding #1 overall Hughes, the next top 3 forwards drafted have 202 points in 461 games (36 points a season average)

And that's with the number 1 and 2 picks being included (which arent available if you pick 3rd) except for Hughes who finally broke out big time 4 years after his draft.

In the past 2 years Lindholm has averaged 74 points. The only player drafted with an early pick in the last 4 years to do that was Hughes who was first overall and it took him until years 3/4 to get there.

If you look at the forwards in each draft going 3-5, there's guys that I would take a signed Lindholm over. And if you are looking to compete in the next 4 years ? You could argue every one of them Lindholm is better then for the next 3 years at minimum

I don't think there is much of a chance of them dealing the pick. But if Columbus is looking to contend sooner then later it isnt the craziest of ideas.

[Sandman]

No way it's Lindy for the 3rd overall straight-up. How about Lindholm + 16th overall for 3rd overall (better damn well be Leo Carlsson) + 3rd rounder?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I completely agree in principle. You'd be laughed off the site of you proposed that. But let's consider 3 things.

1. Portzline feels like one of those tapped in guys.

2. Jarmo may have a pretty solid sense that if he doesn't make the playoffs, he is fired. Lindholm helps him in a big way.

3. Jarmo has taken big dumb cuts on pending UFAs before and it kinda worked out for him. At least in Columbus where they saw that TB beat down like a cup win.

No doubt your points are valid but I’ll chime in on a couple other things that would deter him from doing so.

1. Agreement on a substantial change by ownership/ president. I doubt this would be allowed to pass

2. Game theory. Despite the need to get better, there are potentially better players available where the cost would be lower. I can’t spout names off the top but there would be other GMs kicking the can and throwing the best value to get that third overall

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sandman

No way it's Lindy for the 3rd overall straight-up. How about Lindholm + 16th overall for 3rd overall (better damn well be Leo Carlsson) + 3rd rounder?

If any team would trade one of the top picks this year, it would have to be for a very young great player signed to a long term contract. Think Tkachuk last year, not Lindholm this year.

Treliving trading for two UFA's who were older and needed to be signed to big contracts was the mistake, and largely was done to placate the owners who insist on trying your best to win every year.

How different would this team look if Tkachuk was traded for a package including Necas?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sandman

No way it's Lindy for the 3rd overall straight-up. How about Lindholm + 16th overall for 3rd overall (better damn well be Leo Carlsson) + 3rd rounder?

I feel like Columbus could build a package around the 22nd pick and other futures for Lindholm rather than giving up their prize for having a horrible season.

[Monahammer]

If Lindholm for the 3rd is on the table, you bend things to make it happen.

I don't think that's a realistic expectation, regardless of who is reporting it.

I do think asking for Sillinger + 22nd + _____ is still extremely reasonable. And I like that the beat writer for columbus is as interested as a 3rd overall pick- that does make it more likely IMO that the club is extremely interested in the player.

Still think Sillinger + Marchenko + 22nd would be excellent and is much more reasonable than expecting the 3rd overall. Then draft another forward and a d with 16 and 22.

Then you also have a bunch of solid pieces that you can also move to pivot different directions.

[dammage79]

I don't think we understand how valuable Lindholm is. I watched an Avs offseason target podcast yesterday and they're saying how much they know they'd have to pay to get lindy as well.

Honestly after hearing Portzline, who is no goofball media hack and these avs pundits ballpark the cost of acquisition, Lindy will fetch a massive haul for the Flames if that's how things end up. Will it be #3? Who knows, but from just two separate other teams reporters, it's not impossible.

Especially if the market is red hot.

[Geeoff]

I gotta say, I like the Conroy reign as GM so far. This is the kind of stuff you want to see tires being kicked on.

I think we could do like a Rangers aggressive re-tool (and hopefully hit a little better on the high picks)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think we understand how valuable Lindholm is. I watched an Avs offseason target podcast yesterday and they're saying how much they know they'd have to pay to get lindy as well.

Honestly after hearing Portzline, who is no goofball media hack and these avs pundits ballpark the cost of acquisition, Lindy will fetch a massive haul for the Flames if that's how things end up. Will it be #3? Who knows, but from just two separate other teams reporters, it's not impossible.

Especially if the market is red hot.

I agree. Even more so if he's retained for his final year. A team like Colorado adding a top line 30+goal scoring defensive center for only 2.45m cap hit.

And to add to the Columbus offer, remember this is the same team that signed Gudbranson to a 4x4 so lets not think this is too wild. If a player wants to play for them and sign long term, that is also worth quite a bit.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I gotta say, I like the Conroy reign as GM so far. This is the kind of stuff you want to see tires being kicked on.

I think we could do like a Rangers aggressive re-tool (and hopefully hit a little better on the high picks)

What did Conroy do?

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think we understand how valuable Lindholm is. I watched an Avs offseason target podcast yesterday and they're saying how much they know they'd have to pay to get lindy as well.

Honestly after hearing Portzline, who is no goofball media hack and these avs pundits ballpark the cost of acquisition, Lindy will fetch a massive haul for the Flames if that's how things end up. Will it be #3? Who knows, but from just two separate other teams reporters, it's not impossible.

Especially if the market is red hot.

Ya, and you can pump that value by waiting for July 1, signing him or letting another agree to a contract with him, and chop his dollar in half this year. The list of teams would be in hot pursuit would be long.

Tell everyone that if they want to jump ahead of things, it would take an exceptional offer. Enter CLB and Jarmo the gambler at the draft.