Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by V

Which of the competitors offers a DB pension anymore?

UPS is one, though in fairness I hear they are trying to move away from it. I think they may already have for their nonunion staff.

I’m not saying I don’t understand why Canada post would want to move to a DC, just that saying they are being paid less due to their own DB plan is not a valid argument since some of their competitors have them and pay higher wages. Didn’t think that’d be controversial.

I thought those were a fairy tale for anyone not in the public sector or publicly owned companies?

Do you mean crown owned or publicly traded private companies?

In any event DB plans are far more rare in the private sector than a DC pension or no pension, but they are definitely still out there.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I haven’t been this confused since Dion posted that the strike ruined his Christmas.

It didn't ruin my Christmas. I stopped using Canada Post years ago to send packages. Government should privatize it so it can be run more efficiently.

I should have said it ruined Christmas for many people who won't get their Christmas parcels in time for Christmas. Or the fact that communities up north that rely on Canada Post. Lessons will be learned here with small businesses for example finding other reliable methods to get the goods sent to customers.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Dion

It didn't ruin my Christmas. I stopped using Canada Post years ago to send packages. Government should privatize it so it can be run more efficiently.

I should have said it ruined Christmas for many people who won't get their Christmas parcels in time for Christmas. Or the fact that communities up north that rely on Canada Post. Lessons will be learned here with small businesses for example finding other reliable methods to get the goods sent to customers.

Oh yes Dion, I’m sure a private company will be much better for communities in the north that rely on them.

Businesses will continue to use the easiest, more cost effective shipping option. It’s not like they use Canada Post and not the others because of some loyalty to the government lol.

[Weitz]

If there wasn’t a union buff here to defend everything union would anyone still be talking about the strike? Not sure it’s come up off the internet at all in my life. Talk about an irrelevant company.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

It didn't ruin my Christmas. I stopped using Canada Post years ago to send packages. Government should privatize it so it can be run more efficiently.

I should have said it ruined Christmas for many people who won't get their Christmas parcels in time for Christmas. Or the fact that communities up north that rely on Canada Post. Lessons will be learned here with small businesses for example finding other reliable methods to get the goods sent to customers.

So basically you’re just speculating as to the damage done? Seriously Dion I expected a little better.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Weitz

If there wasn’t a union buff here to defend everything union would anyone still be talking about the strike? Not sure it’s come up off the internet at all in my life. Talk about an irrelevant company.

I wasn’t the one who brought it up in the first place

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I wasn’t the one who brought it up in the first place

Case in point.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Case and point.

You used to be better at this weitz

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Jfc. You realize this was referred to the labour board and as such is not being voted on in the house, right? Have you ever actually taken a civics class or even a Canadian poli 101?

If it comes back to the House and Jagmeet props them up, then he's an #######.

WTF are you rambling on about?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

So basically you’re just speculating as to the damage done? Seriously Dion I expected a little better.

Why don't you read up on all the small businesses that have been hurt by the strike and their comments.

I know you go great lengths to defend unions but seriously I expect better from you.

Here's a sample of the damage done

But store owners say the 29-day strike, which sent 55,000 Canada Post employees to the picket lines, has cost them lost sales over the critical holiday shopping period and left them with a massive backlog of inventory as well as a long wait for payments that are stuck in the mail.

For the owner of Sparta Country Candles and Anything Used, a store located southeast of London, Ont., the news that Ottawa is ordering Canada Post employees back to work pending arbitration was small consolation.“It’s too little, too late,” said Mary Muscat. “For most small businesses, the Christmas season is almost done.”

Mallia said the disruption has meant extra costs and delays in inventory and pickups.

“It has cost us money from having to use more expensive carriers like FedEx and UPS, but we’re not necessarily getting the level of service they try to work towards because they’ve been inundated with extra packages and it’s caused delays,” he said. “A one- or two-day delay doesn’t seem like a whole lot, but when you’re working with a finite amount of time before Christmas, that’s a lot.”

“Small firms have been losing $100 million per day, with total damage of $1.6 billion since the strike began,” CFIB president Dan Kelly said. “Nearly three-quarters of small firms report they will reduce their dependence on Canada Post going forward, making it even more challenging for the corporation to operate in the future.”

https://financialpost.com/entreprene...da-post-strike

[V]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Do you mean crown owned or publicly traded private companies?

In any event DB plans are far more rare in the private sector than a DC pension or no pension, but they are definitely still out there.

I probably worded it wrong, but yeah, I meant crown owned.

I really didn't think it existed in the private sector anymore. It's an incredible liability to companies, and I'm sure any company that can discontinue a DB pension would do so.

My question didn't have anything really to do with the strike, I couldn't really care less. I'm sure it'll resolve itself in due time.

[curves2000]

Looks like Trudeau is going to blow by yet another fiscal target in terms of the deficit. How far we have come from his "small, 10 billion deficit to invest in the middle class for a few years"

When you think that between Trudeau Sr & Jr being responsible for the majority of Canada's debt, they have really left Canada with quite the pickle to deal with. Ironic that we despite the debt load, we really struggle as a country with a lot of the basic fundamental things we expect from government.

[CaptainCrunch]

Official that Sean Fraser is leaving after the cabinet shuffle this week. So he's going to want to separate himself from the Liberals probably til after the next election to take a run at the leadership.


Its likely that Freeland is probably going to be shuffled, it sounds like Trudeau wants Carny in the Finance portfolio, which is strange to me as he's unelected, and I'm shocked that Carny would want to have anything to do with this current Liberal Government in cabinet.


This whole GST Holiday and the check thing has certainly created turmoil. the Economic statement tomorrow is going to be really interesting. With the cheques not going out, it really puts Jagmeet Singh into a corner.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by V

I probably worded it wrong, but yeah, I meant crown owned.

I really didn't think it existed in the private sector anymore. It's an incredible liability to companies, and I'm sure any company that can discontinue a DB pension would do so.

From a business perspective I get that, they need to look out for what they feel is in their best interest. And to be honest I’ve actually been surprised when some folks tell me they have a DB plan in certain industries.

My question didn't have anything really to do with the strike, I couldn't really care less. I'm sure it'll resolve itself in due time.

The government appears to be on top of that. I’m sure all of the usual suspect defenders of our charter protected rights will be out in full force protesting this. You’re smart enough to figure out that that last sentence was sarcastic so I probably don’t need to clarify.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

Why don't you read up on all the small businesses that have been hurt by the strike and their comments.

Because you made the statement that Christmas was ruined so I asked how your Christmas was ruined.

[QUOTEI know you go great lengths to defend unions but seriously I expect better from you.[/QUOTE]

Come on Dion, you can do a little better than “I know your are but what am I?”

Here's a sample of the damage done

https://financialpost.com/entreprene...da-post-strike

Nothing in any of what you quoted suggests that Christmas has been ruined for a large majority of Canadians. There are pains with any strike, water is wet. But if you want to continue vilifying working class Canadians whenever the opportunity presents itself because you don’t like unions that’s up to you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Dion

Why don't you read up on all the small businesses that have been hurt by the strike and their comments.

I know you go great lengths to defend unions but seriously I expect better from you.

Here's a sample of the damage done

Weren’t you just arguing that small businesses finding alternative solutions was bad for Canada Post? Now those alternative solutions are bad for small businesses?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Official that Sean Fraser is leaving after the cabinet shuffle this week. So he's going to want to separate himself from the Liberals probably til after the next election to take a run at the leadership.


Its likely that Freeland is probably going to be shuffled, it sounds like Trudeau wants Carny in the Finance portfolio, which is strange to me as he's unelected, and I'm shocked that Carny would want to have anything to do with this current Liberal Government in cabinet.


This whole GST Holiday and the check thing has certainly created turmoil. the Economic statement tomorrow is going to be really interesting. With the cheques not going out, it really puts Jagmeet Singh into a corner.

I really didn't expect Freeland to have a backbone and go against her bosses policies and plans. Rejecting the $250 cheques was very surprising and will make her a pariah amongst the PMO and Trudeau's inner circle.

[transplant99]

Operations at Canada Post will resume at 8 a.m. local time on Tuesday, Dec. 17, the company said, after the Canada Industrial Relations Board ordered a return to work.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...ng/ar-AA1vUknl

[TorqueDog]

Thank f-ck for that.

[iggy_oi]

I was clearly so distraught after learning of the untimely complete and utter destruction of Christmas that I must have missed this.

Originally Posted by Firebot

WTF are you rambling on about?

I don't recall where I mentioned anything about this being voted in the house in the post you quoted? Go right ahead and point at it.

Who referred this to the labour board again? It's not like it magically happened on its own without government intervention. Who is part of this government again?

Man Firebot I really wish that Pierre would just come out already and tell people he would never do something like this if he were in power. I’d be far more likely to vote for him, and more people would believe you when you say he’s a better option for workers. That’s gotta be a good thing, right?

Your moronic strawman of deflection is quite absurd but not surprising. It's lovely to see the usual suspects once again twisting themselves into pretzels and going off on the most moronic arguments they can find as they cling on to their fledging narratives to explain why they would still defend and vote Liberal / NDP despite the current status quo and unions and worker rights getting their asses constantly kicked by continuous government intervention. Care to explain why you went off on your silly strawman?

I got so happy when I saw you use the term “usual suspects” that I almost pm’d Dion to let him know that Christmas had been saved!

Then I kept reading and noticed that you’d gone into your pretend to care about workers when it’s convenient for attacking political opponents and maybe collect a paycheque routine. Now I have to pm Dion to tell him that he was technically right and Christmas is ruined, but that it’s actually Firebot’s fault and not the posties. Way to ruin Dion’s Christmas, Firebot.