CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[GirlySports]

With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 5 votes to deadline lynch.

Vote Count

Hasn't Voted (3): devo22, SebC, dissentowner

Starseed (4): Oling_Roachinen, Peanut, mrkajz44, Party Elephant
Party Elephant (3): bizaro86 , Starseed, GGG
mrkajz44 (3): squiggs96, Timbo, Hockeyguy15
devo22 (1) : Puxlut


The deadline is Friday, June 12th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I'm not following the logic here, Party. Isn't it to the hosts advantage to try and turn people? What advantage is there to passing the spore amongst themselves?
Other than they would know where the spore is at all times if they only pass it to themselves I guess. But not sure that's really an advantage in terms of actually winning the game. They would want to turn townies, I thought.

Yeah, it's unlikely, but it would be an effective misdirection tactic. If we get no reports on the whereabouts of the spore for several days we start to assume there are lots of turned players out there and maybe make a panic lynch. Or, a host could make a false report of passing the spore to a player they want gone and we lynch them right away as we did with girly.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Yeah, it's unlikely, but it would be an effective misdirection tactic. If we get no reports on the whereabouts of the spore for several days we start to assume there are lots of turned players out there and maybe make a panic lynch. Or, a host could make a false report of passing the spore to a player they want gone and we lynch them right away as we did with girly.

Ahh, I see. Metagaming!! Worth keeping in mind, but I agree it seems somewhat unlikely. I guess it depends if they thought there was greater advantage in creating misdirection and confusion, or just targeting people to hope they turn and get numbers on their side.

It has been rather quiet on the spore-front since the girly lynch.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Ahh, I see. Metagaming!! Worth keeping in mind, but I agree it seems somewhat unlikely. I guess it depends if they thought there was greater advantage in creating misdirection and confusion, or just targeting people to hope they turn and get numbers on their side.

It has been rather quiet on the spore-front since the girly lynch.

That was to be expected as any spore reveals before day 5 would have meant oling was lying.

Day 3-spore back to captain
Night 4-captain passes spore
Day 4- recipient is either turned, or unaware they have the spore until night

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

That was to be expected as any spore reveals before day 5 would have meant oling was lying.

Day 3-spore back to captain
Night 4-captain passes spore
Day 4- recipient is either turned, or unaware they have the spore until night

That should say night 3-captain passes spore

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Yeah, it's unlikely, but it would be an effective misdirection tactic. If we get no reports on the whereabouts of the spore for several days we start to assume there are lots of turned players out there and maybe make a panic lynch. Or, a host could make a false report of passing the spore to a player they want gone and we lynch them right away as we did with girly.

That would be a pretty big cost for the scum to pay, since it costs them a 50% chance at getting a turned every day they do it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by devo22

indeed, the only votes for me so far have come from you. Once on day 1 because I wasn't posting a lot early on and now again on day 4 "to get me talking" so that I "let things slip". Too bad there are no things I could let slip

The accusation of being a "yes man" is pretty funny to me. On day 1, my vote was pretty decisive for activeStick unfortunately. On day 2, I was pretty vocal about a Girly vote. On day 3, I was pretty vocal about a mrkajz vote. Funnily enough, the only instance of me being a "yes man" relates to you when you told us mrkajz voters to "not screw this up again", which was when I took a closer look at ECF and agreed with others that he was indeed looking scummy on the final day of the vote.

Then again, I shouldn't have let your "don't screw this up again" post make me re-think my vote ... I wouldn't have taken a closer look at others if that kind of post had come from anybody else, but with you being confirmed town, I did. ECF would have probably been lynched anyway, but it was a pretty big mistake on my part. That probably won't happen again, because as it has become evident from your current vote: you being confirmed town doesn't automatically make you right

How was your vote on active decisive. You essentially made a case on both of them being scum and went with the marginally better. It was about as far from decisive as you can get.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What does everybody think on voting for mrkajz44? My theory is that many think he is a host or are suspicious of him and if he flips town then we can take a harder look at HG who has been lobbying hard against him. After my research I am leaning toward HG being town but I have been wrong about these things before. We have to try and get on track somehow before too many passengers get turned and we seem to be getting no where.

I don't think that a MrKajz lynch tells you anything about HG unless MrKajz flips host. If it's town it's just aggressive town v town play we lynch two townies. I think this type of play casts more suspicion on you in trying to set up future lynches. If you want to lynch HG we should lynch HG trying to set up your lynch by lynching mrkajz.


One suspicious thing about HG is he is starting to make a very quiet case to get Squigs lynched rather than being direct.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I'm concerned about starseed. As others have already stated, if Lego was scum then there must have been some pressure from his teammates to keep up or sub out. There's been points in this game where I've struggled to keep up, but I never thought to bow out. Maybe if I had two others pressuring me into it I might've. But that's all speculation.

What really concerns me is his vote for me:


Which is based off a link that I know to be bogus. I addressed this, and even asked starseed about it directly:


to which he hasn't responded. If he's scum, he knows there is no link between me and mrkajz. If he's town, he doesn't know, but if he's town why not just answer the question? He's already voting for me so why not back the vote up by saying he thinks our exchange was staged. Instead, he's chosen to ignore it, which has me leaning scum on him.

So at the risk of being labelled a "revenge vote", I'm gonna go with
vote: starseed

Why are you concerned about being linked with MrKajz?

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by GGG

Why are you concerned about being linked with MrKajz?

I'm not, I'm concerned with being voted for based on an incorrect assumption.

[dissentowner]

I'm debating...have not made up my mind yet.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by GGG

One suspicious thing about HG is he is starting to make a very quiet case to get Squigs lynched rather than being direct.

I'm not doing that at all, he has just said a couple things recently that I felt the need to address.

[dissentowner]

For now.
Vote:mrkajz44

[starseed]

PE, I was basing my vote on your voting off of mrkaj and onto the known townie, and also an observation from a (from my perspective) known townie (legoman) who said this:

Party Elephant - mentions a scum plan in post 548... a scum bluff? Then... post 768:
vote: hockeyguy15
This vote has me questioning the direction of the group as a whole. I think we've been manipulated too easily into this very specific strategy of voting on a potential spore holder that hinges entirely on taking one poster at his word. I've already laid out how us lynching girly and investigating oling could have us come up empty handed while also losing track of the spore, as if we're even sure where it was in the first place. With the way hockeyguy is forcing the vote on girly, I have to think he's steering he group in the wrong direction.

I think Party took this opportunity to plant the seed of doubt on HG, knowing neither HG and Girly are scum, while keeping his hands clean during the lynch.

It was an early case of setting up another safe lynch (provided he were a host and HG were not). All that is said between players is irrelevant to me. I glossed over any posturing between mrkaj and PE, and much other noise between other players.

I think your voting for me while there was a three way tie with you and mrkaj has reinforced my confidence in my vote.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by starseed

PE, I was basing my vote on your voting off of mrkaj and onto the known townie, and also an observation from a (from my perspective) known townie (legoman) who said this:



It was an early case of setting up another safe lynch (provided he were a host and HG were not). All that is said between players is irrelevant to me. I glossed over any posturing between mrkaj and PE, and much other noise between other players.

I think your voting for me while there was a three way tie with you and mrkaj has reinforced my confidence in my vote.

You're getting your details wrong. I pulled off of hockeyguy, not mrkajz.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by starseed

All that is said between players is irrelevant to me.

It may be the sake talking, but I think this came out wrong. I meant that the noise generated by arguing with someone else is irrelevant, and that I am trying to read between the lines.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

You're getting your details wrong. I pulled off of hockeyguy, not mrkajz.

Its possible, I will go to bed and read over that again tomorrow.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by starseed

Its possible, I will go to bed and read over that again tomorrow.

That's probably a good idea. It's also possible that the earth is round.

[starseed]

Sorry, a Korean female is visiting from out of town. God please see me through this. :'(

[Peanut]

Mmmm, sake.