2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

What's the upside of picking up a UFA? Even if Byram is not better than Hanifin he can get you assets later.

I'm not suggesting a Hamilton trade either. Just suggesting trading from a position of strength to address a weakness.

The upside of picking up a UFA is potentially a shorter term at higher $, which might fit the Flames' window better, and give a little more time for the likes of Morin, Brzustewicz, Mews, Kuznetsov, Solovyov or even Poirier to establish themselves with the big club.

I see the D core as following for next year:
UFA - Weegar
Bahl - Parekh
Wrangler - Pachal
Wrangler/Bean/Miromanov

At some point, we need to see what all the D playing for the Wranglers can do.

The reason I don't love getting Byram is that we'll likely have to pay him $7-8M x 8 off the bat. Which would be a fair deal, but also a bit risky if he turns out as a bad stylistic fit for the current Flames. If the Flames pull the trigger on such a deal, I would trust our pro scouts.

[FanSince'01]

I know a lot of people are saying Buffalo and Calgary aren't good trade partners, and I certainly agree BUT what about the elusive 3-team deal?

If those Buffalo podcasters are suggesting San Jose might be good trade partners and OilFan's been saying that Raz is second on San Jose's wish list after Ekblad, then maybe a 3 way deal makes sense.

Something along the lines of sending Raz to San Jose, something of San Jose's to Buffalo (I think Eklund is overpay, but not sure what to replace him with) and Byram to Calgary? As the main components, obviously, with other bits and pieces or picks to even out value.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The upside of picking up a UFA is potentially a shorter term at higher $, which might fit the Flames' window better, and give a little more time for the likes of Morin, Brzustewicz, Mews, Kuznetsov, Solovyov or even Poirier to establish themselves with the big club.

I see the D core as following for next year:
UFA - Weegar
Bahl - Parekh
Wrangler - Pachal
Wrangler/Bean/Miromanov

At some point, we need to see what all the D playing for the Wranglers can do.

The reason I don't love getting Byram is that we'll likely have to pay him $7-8M x 8 off the bat. Which would be a fair deal, but also a bit risky if he turns out as a bad stylistic fit for the current Flames. If the Flames pull the trigger on such a deal, I would trust our pro scouts.

But half the d prospect (not includingParekh) are 20. We are also talking about players that are not blue chip prospects. Pachal and Bean's spots can be had as players push. IMO Byram works our, Weegar could be the guy moved. Long term that makes more sense than passing on Byram if the right package going back interests them.

From 2008 to 2018 the Flames drafted 22 dman past 15OV. Here who they got that is worth mentioning.

Fox
Rasmus
Kulak
Kylington

1 is an impact dman and 1 is a good 2nd pairing guy. Lots of good-looking ones that amounted to nothing. 23-year-old dmen who play against top players and 23 minutes a night and have 38 points and are +11 on a bad team don't grow on trees. Worth the risk if the right package goes back.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

I know a lot of people are saying Buffalo and Calgary aren't good trade partners, and I certainly agree BUT what about the elusive 3-team deal?

If those Buffalo podcasters are suggesting San Jose might be good trade partners and OilFan's been saying that Raz is second on San Jose's wish list after Ekblad, then maybe a 3 way deal makes sense.

Something along the lines of sending Raz to San Jose, something of San Jose's to Buffalo (I think Eklund is overpay, but not sure what to replace him with) and Byram to Calgary? As the main components, obviously, with other bits and pieces or picks to even out value.

Ouu.

Buff Out:
Byram
Peterka

Buf in:
Eklund
Ferraro
Pospisil

CGY out:
Andersson
Pospisil

CGY in:
Byram

SJ out:
Eklund
Ferraro

SJ in:
Andersson
Peterka

I like it. Feel like Buffalo gets totally hosed though.

Edit: I added Pospisil to make it a touch more even, IMO.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But half the d prospect (not includingParekh) are 20. We are also talking about players that are not blue chip prospects. Pachal and Bean's spots can be had as players push. IMO Byram works our, Weegar could be the guy moved. Long term that makes more sense than passing on Byram if the right package going back interests them.

From 2008 to 2018 the Flames drafted 22 dman past 15OV. Here who they got that is worth mentioning.

Fox
Rasmus
Kulak
Kylington

1 is an impact dman and 1 is a good 2nd pairing guy. Lots of good-looking ones that amounted to nothing. 23-year-old dmen who play against top players and 23 minutes a night and have 38 points and are +11 on a bad team don't grow on trees. Worth the risk if the right package goes back.

Weegar is one of the last players I would be looking to move out. He is going to be a key cog with the young roster going forward. Especially for Byram is being severely overrated here.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Weegar is one of the last players I would be looking to move out. He is going to be a key cog with the young roster going forward. Especially for Byram is being severely overrated here.

I wouldn't trade Weegar unless all our d prospects pan out. They won't. We hit on 2 out of 22 picks in a decade that were top 4 calibre. Odds are we aren't going 6 for 6 on the depth prospects listed as needing a crack.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

If you can get an Eichel or Reinhart equivalent out of Buffalo's organization, then hell yah you want to trade for more Buffalo Sabres.

Those were their T1 guys

We arent talking Tage , Powers , Dahlin, McLeod , Tuch

That’s their core / T1 guys

So either the guys they are trading are the problem , or Buffalo just sucks at player evaluations

Now it could be the latter (and history has shown they aren’t great) but trading for Buffalos 3rd best D or 4th/5th best forward and paying them 7-8 million isn’t a recipe for success long term - assets AND cap room

We already have cap boat anchors in Shags , Farabee , Huberdeau . Pretty soon here we will be capped out if we trade for these types of guys with no star players .

That’s how you end up in the middle and out of the playoffs for a decade

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ouu.

Buff Out:
Byram
Peterka

Buf in:
Eklund
Ferraro
Pospisil

CGY out:
Andersson
Pospisil

CGY in:
Byram

SJ out:
Eklund
Ferraro

SJ in:
Andersson
Peterka

I like it. Feel like Buffalo gets totally hosed though.

Edit: I added Pospisil to make it a touch more even, IMO.

Not a fan of this deal at all. Would be a big fail for Craig to pull the trigger here in my opinion. Byram somehow has increased his value significantly by getting 38pts in one year in Buffalo?

[Shazam]

Tier 1 players deserve Tier 1 fans.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I wouldn't trade Weegar unless all our d prospects pan out. They won't. We hit on 2 out of 22 picks in a decade that were top 4 calibre. Odds are we aren't going 6 for 6 on the depth prospects listed as needing a crack.

Some of the Flames D prospects were not drafted by them but you lump them in with the same group.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not a fan of this deal at all. Would be a big fail for Craig to pull the trigger here in my opinion. Byram somehow has increased his value significantly by getting 38pts in one year in Buffalo?

How is this an increase in value to Byram? Peterka is baring the value.

Byram is more valuable than Andersson straight across. Not by much but by a smidge.

[dammage79]

Flames only get Byram out of that trade proposal? Seems really light on the return. Everyone else gets better but the Flames.

[Monahammer]

Byram > Andersson. We get better.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Some might be underrating Peterka’s value- he’s 23, and managed to put up 68 points in 77 games on a poor team, with little offensive help.

Warrener made a comment a few weeks back about Peterka being a little bit of a complainer in the dressing room. Not really a 'team player'. His insight ended with him basically saying 'stay away'.

<shrug>

[Paulie Walnuts]

Seems like Calgary adds Pospisil to help San Jose get better?

I don't mind Byram but we better be getting something else as well.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

I know a lot of people are saying Buffalo and Calgary aren't good trade partners, and I certainly agree BUT what about the elusive 3-team deal?

If those Buffalo podcasters are suggesting San Jose might be good trade partners and OilFan's been saying that Raz is second on San Jose's wish list after Ekblad, then maybe a 3 way deal makes sense.

Something along the lines of sending Raz to San Jose, something of San Jose's to Buffalo (I think Eklund is overpay, but not sure what to replace him with) and Byram to Calgary? As the main components, obviously, with other bits and pieces or picks to even out value.

Depending what SJ is sending to the Sabres, I might want to cut the middle man out.

I think I'd rather take Eklund the Byram.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Byram > Andersson. We get better.

That's a big maybe. You have to be careful when making this assessment though. It can't be overlooked that Byram played with a top ten defensemen in the NHL who quite frankly is going to win his matchups regardless of who his partner is.

Henri Jokiharju had sparkling analytics next to Dahlin the year prior, too. We see the same effect with guys like Hanley and Miromanov who get major boosts from playing next to Weegar. Byram is without a doubt far more talented than those names, but his body of work isn't quite there to value him to the extent you are in my opinion.

This past year Byram went from an xGF% of 41% without Dahlin to 56% playing next to him which absolutely raises concerns.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why are the Sabres trading Peterka? Seems like he's actually one of their good players.
Such a weird organization.

The article explains how he’s not very good on the defensive side of the puck.

Which is the core problem running through the Sabres roster. Lots of talent, lots of offensive skill, not enough players suited or dedicated to defensive play. And they’ve tried a few coaches now, so management seems to seeking a remedy through remaking the roster.

If they’re considering moving Peterka, I imagine they think Kulich can offer similar offensive output paired with more physical, defensively-responsible play.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How is this an increase in value to Byram? Peterka is baring the value.

Byram is more valuable than Andersson straight across. Not by much but by a smidge.

I am not sure if I agree that the difference between Andersson and Byram is Pospisil? I think there are many teams in the league (basically any contending team) that would rather have Andersson on their roster than Byram. Byram being dealt twice before he is 25 is a red flag and he has only had one full year in his career without injury this past season. Andersson is 5 years older but easier to fit under the cap next year and brings more of a two-way game and has some bite.

For me personally I just want the Flames to move Andersson for a futures based package and I want very little adds made in the offseason. I think a lot went right last year and the team was vibing all year. When a player like McKenna is available in the next draft and a new rink is still 2 years out I really want the flames to slow play next year.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That's a big maybe. You have to be careful when making this assessment though. It can't be overlooked that Byram played with a top ten defensemen in the NHL who quite frankly is going to win his matchups regardless of who his partner is.

Henri Jokiharju had sparkling analytics next to Dahlin the year prior, too. We see the same effect with guys like Hanley and Miromanov who get major boosts from playing next to Weegar. Byram is without a doubt far more talented than those names, but his body of work isn't quite there to value him to the extent you are in my opinion.

This past year Byram went from an xGF% of 41% without Dahlin to 56% playing next to him which absolutely raises concerns.

35.8% is the figure i pull for R. Andersson off Money puck for 24-25 if we want to use xGF% I guess.