2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dammage79]

In retrospect, Trelivings tenure was sound in logic, mid to poor in execution. The bangers he pulled off were bangin, the duds he pulled off were nuclear.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

So,

Hanifin = 1st +
Lindholm = 1st +
Tanev = 2nd/3rd +
Markstrom = 1st + cap dump

Right?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

With 40 points under his belt playing with Lindholm and Mangiapane under Sutter last year

Unless Calgary was in a playoff spot last year, he'd likely have been traded.

But if he was playing with Huberdeau, maybe he'd have only 25 points?

Maybe Calgary wins the draft lottery and gets Bedard.

Maybe yada yada.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

So,

Hanifin = 1st +
Lindholm = 1st +
Tanev = 2nd/3rd +
Markstrom = 1st + cap dump

Right?

Marky is completely unknow in value and whether Calgary/Marky even wants/allows a trade.

The rest seems right although I hold out hope that Tanev also brings a first.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

So,

Hanifin = 1st +
Lindholm = 1st +
Tanev = 2nd/3rd +
Markstrom = 1st + cap dump

Right?

This would be incredible for a rebuild. Especially if Markstrom is moved now, which would send the Flames into guaranteed top 5 pick territory.

I have a feeling the plan will be to keep Markstom though. Trade off the vets, then "retool".

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Igottago

So Treliving never made a good coaching hire.

So Peters had the team 1st in the West in his first season.

[dammage79]

I'll never ever get over the Hamonic trade. 2nd worst trade in team history.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by blankall

This would be incredible for a rebuild. Especially if Markstrom is moved now, which would send the Flames into guaranteed top 5 pick territory.

I have a feeling the plan will be to keep Markstom though. Trade off the vets, then "retool".

No guarantee markstrom is this solid in his final two seasons of the contract. If Conroy is wise he would sell high and add another potentially key chip to the next core.

I don't understand the point of keeping him here while the team in front undergoes an overhaul. It only serves to keep the team picking lower than it could be.

But realistically I'd expect that as well..

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll never ever get over the Hamonic trade. 2nd worst trade in team history.

Especially given what those picks could have alternatively been used for that would benefit the then-core.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'll never ever get over the Hamonic trade. 2nd worst trade in team history.

100%. the horrible UFA signings cost you cap space, but giving up 3 high picks was awful, especially when NYI drafted Dobson, maybe the flames don't take Dobson but what a terrible trade. I didn't watch many Islander games so i wasn't familiar with Hamonics game, he gets here and i was floored, he looked like a waiver pickup.

[Remember1989]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Especially given what those picks could have alternatively been used for that would benefit the then-core.

Trading a pick that became Jordan Kyrou for 49 regular season games of Brian Elliott and an 0-4 playoff record particularly discourages me when I look back. We should’ve been very leery of Brad right from the start.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Remember1989

Trading a pick that became Jordan Kyrou for 49 regular season games of Brian Elliott and an 0-4 playoff record particularly discourages me when I look back. We should’ve been very leery of Brad right from the start.

I'd actually defend that particular trade, we were literally coming out of a dark Era of goaltending with Hiller, Ramo and Ortio and God, I'm forgetting one.....

Anyways, snagging Elliott at the draft for that pick was a very sound and reasonable thing to do. The player the Blues picked turning out to be a good player stings for sure, but it's not a bad trade.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd actually defend that particular trade, we were literally coming out of a dark Era of goaltending with Hiller, Ramo and Ortio and God, I'm forgetting one.....

Anyways, snagging Elliott at the draft for that pick was a very sound and reasonable thing to do. The player the Blues picked turning out to be a good player stings for sure, but it's not a bad trade.

Correct.

Value the trade based on the value of a 2nd round pick, not whom was ultimately picked.

Doubtful Flames pick the same guy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

100%. the horrible UFA signings cost you cap space, but giving up 3 high picks was awful, especially when NYI drafted Dobson, maybe the flames don't take Dobson but what a terrible trade. I didn't watch many Islander games so i wasn't familiar with Hamonics game, he gets here and i was floored, he looked like a waiver pickup.

And it felt like too much the morning it went down.

I know the Leafs had the same offer on the table, but it felt like an overpay from the moment it was completed.

[Remember1989]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd actually defend that particular trade, we were literally coming out of a dark Era of goaltending with Hiller, Ramo and Ortio and God, I'm forgetting one.....

Anyways, snagging Elliott at the draft for that pick was a very sound and reasonable thing to do. The player the Blues picked turning out to be a good player stings for sure, but it's not a bad trade.

Fair comment on the state of goaltending at the time. I just think that when you are in that early stage of building a team around a new core is when you need to keep that draft capital in the organization and find “cheaper” options for goaltending.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd actually defend that particular trade, we were literally coming out of a dark Era of goaltending with Hiller, Ramo and Ortio and God, I'm forgetting one.....

Anyways, snagging Elliott at the draft for that pick was a very sound and reasonable thing to do. The player the Blues picked turning out to be a good player stings for sure, but it's not a bad trade.

It's just a never ending cycle of not having enough picks though. IMO

They always seem to have to trade picks to fill holes in the roster. Why are there holes in the roster? Because they never had enough picks in the first place. If they had enough picks they'd always have a full cupboard of prospects ready to fill the holes in the roster.

This is coming from somebody who was always fine in the past trading mid to late picks for actual NHL players. But its clear to me now that's a very flawed way to run your team, especially in a market that struggles to keep or attract high end talent.

[Freeway]

There could be nuance involved, folks.
Brad could have been a good GM with some big blind spots when it came to overpaying for specific player types he felt his team was lacking.
Sutter could have been a coaching hire that he pushed for and ownership liked.
Sutter could have been the right coach for a team on the cusp but also one whose style wore on people over time.
Not everything needs to be one or the other.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Freeway

There could be nuance involved, folks.
Brad could have been a good GM with some big blind spots when it came to overpaying for specific player types he felt his team was lacking.
Sutter could have been a coaching hire that he pushed for and ownership liked.
Sutter could have been the right coach for a team on the cusp but also one whose style wore on people over time.
Not everything needs to be one or the other.

Nuance? On Al Gore's internet? Novel!

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Freeway

There could be nuance involved, folks.
Brad could have been a good GM with some big blind spots when it came to overpaying for specific player types he felt his team was lacking.
Sutter could have been a coaching hire that he pushed for and ownership liked.
Sutter could have been the right coach for a team on the cusp but also one whose style wore on people over time.
Not everything needs to be one or the other.

I would argue that makes him a bad GM

[traptor]

Seems like the jets may be interested in Lindholm and have a need for RHD.


They have some good pieces.
Looking at the 1st+prospect+young roster model


1st + lambert/lucius/barloe/McGroarty + stanley/Hamburg

Would be a really enticing package.

Could also throw in Tanvev for a 2nd if they want to load up.