2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's kind of hard to gauge his value and it really comes down to how different pro scouts view his ceiling. Maybe they can get a 3rd round pick back but if they want to get Wolf in the NHL I would settle for a 4th round pick no problem.

Yeah and it's past Xmas now.

They don't need to rush the decision but it's two months from the deadline and likely time to sort things out.

Unless they think they're moving Markstrom ...

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't know ... some logic?

Not sure he left the team in shambles anyway. I'd say Huberdeau, Sutter and Markstrom's off season had a lot to do with things as well.

Logic? In sports fandom? Never!

I cheer against every team that isn't the Flames. You'd have to be a special personality/ player for me to cheer for you on any other team. With that in mind, I would Never, N-E-V-E-R cheer for anyone who moved to Toronto, Edmonton, or Vancouver. Especially if they did this willingly.

#### Brad Treliving. I hope he has nothing but failure in his future, I hope nothing good happens to the Leafs, I'd rather a league without Toronto than to watch them win another playoff game, let alone series.

[SuperMatt18]

Also his contract isn't amazing for a backup, especially with his poor numbers, so really his value is potentially less than it was when we acquired him for that reason alone.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames should take a flyer on Bjornfot who is on waivers today.

22 years old, 1st round pick from 2019, already has 117 NHL games.

Probably will be nothing but more upside than Oesterle and Desimone and fits the age bracket better

Cheaper than Oesterle and he's been bad IMO. Maybe worth a gamble.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Also his contract isn't amazing for a backup, especially with his poor numbers, so really his value is potentially less than it was when we acquired him for that reason alone.

His win/loss record is very solid for a backup goaltender. Some teams may view him as a guy that hangs in there and makes enough saves to win games.

2021-22 GP 19 W 13 L 6 T/O 2
2022-23 GP 23 W 14 L 6 T/O 5
2023-24 GP 11 W 5 L 4 T/O 2

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Also his contract isn't amazing for a backup, especially with his poor numbers, so really his value is potentially less than it was when we acquired him for that reason alone.

Why Tre felt motivated to hand out a multi year $2.2M extension to Vladar, I’ll never know. Spending $1.5M more than necessary on a backup goaltender is a good idea? We have Dansk just waiting there to play at league minimum.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't know ... some logic?

Not sure he left the team in shambles anyway. I'd say Huberdeau, Sutter and Markstrom's off season had a lot to do with things as well.

Okay let’s use some logic. He put the team in a position with the contracts he signed to potentially lose key players in the summer of 2022 and sure enough it happened with Johnny leaving and Chucky using his leverage to get out. Thanks to the Neal/Lucic scenario the team lacked cap space to keep their group together even if the guys wanted to stay without paying prime assets to move money.

Treliving completely fumbles the star players on this roster and is paralyzed through the draft (where we had few picks) and right up until free agency. He the. Overestimated the value of the supporting cast and proceeded to make win now moves that cost the team future assets and also tied them up long term to 3 guys best of well over 30.

The team currently has the worst contract in the league for 7 more years, little in D prospects, only 2 D signed beyond this year, and no real high end talent 25 or younger on the team. He left an absolute mess of a cap situation which is the opposite of what he inherited.

[TheIronMaiden]

Treliving was a good manager from a business perspective, but horrible at talent evaluation.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

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No GM is out there leads with a final offer, so he's smartly testing the market to see if anyone is getting edgy.

I actually disagree about smartly testing the market. Traders who consistently bid way below market or offer way above market are annoying to deal with and end up getting ignored a lot of the time and are really only re-engaged when the reasonable companies are out of the market.

Context is really if the general perceived value of these goalies is. If market value is a 3rd and he calls every guy with a goalie and offers a 6th then he looks dumb, especially if he does it all the time.

[traptor]

Tre was all smoke. He was good at managing his image and appearing competent because he was well spoken.

In reality he was actually a very ineffective GM in hockey related matters. He made alot of bad calls and painted himself into unsavory corners. It also seems like he wasn't very collaborative with his managament team based in ehat they have said.

He should of been a politician.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Why Tre felt motivated to hand out a multi year $2.2M extension to Vladar, I’ll never know. Spending $1.5M more than necessary on a backup goaltender is a good idea? We have Dansk just waiting there to play at league minimum.

I think it indicates that Treliving has a pretty high opinion of Vladar's upside. To that point, I think Vladar is good back-up with possibly starter potential. You're right though that it doesn't make sense to pay that much for a back-up if you aren't grooming them to take over the net, and Markstrom is still clearly the guy.

[Bingo]

Meh ...

Pretty much every Canadian market hates their GM in time. You see it every city.

It's a job that has a success rate around 55% for the good ones, and 45% for the poor.

Treliving made some gambles that failed, but had a lot of good transactions, and drastically improved the team's drafting record.

I'd never make the case for best GM of all time, or perfection, but the "wizard" crowd is just so over the top.

[Matty81]

Yeah testing the market is smart... at worst you learn more about the other GMs and their style at the poker table.

But I think his business decisions around bridge deals/trading term for money look pretty poor in retrospect. Gambled pretty heavily that the team would be better off by paying less in salary for players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk if he accepted less team control and was able to wedge in another journeyman or two to fill out the roster. When you contrast it with teams like the Oilers (puke) and their approach on Draisaitl and McDavid what the flames did with Gaudreau and Tkachuk from an asset management/value extraction perspective looks very poor.

Easy to judge in hindsight but if the underlying rationale was that the players didn't want to be here long term, should have been moved much earlier when the asset value was higher rather than waiting until his back was against the wall.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Oh please please please pleeeeaaaase do this! The second he signs that, he’ll never ever live up to it. Awesome.

Nylander is playing out of his mind in a contract year for 35 games. The moment he signs, he becomes an 80 point, somewhat one-dimensional, forward again and then proceeds to get worse as he gets into his 30s.

Treliving is getting his chance to re-sign Gaudreau to a franchise crippling contract!

[butterfly]

One thing we’ve never really talked about is what if Treliving ignored Tkachuk and made him play in Calgary last year, then walk away for free.

This question admittedly assumes that the extensions “had to happen”, but entertain that assumption for the thought experiment:

Would we be better off with:

(a.) $183 million committed to Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar, plus Schwindt in the AHL, or

(b.) Running it back with Tkachuk and Monahan for one more year, and then having nothing?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I actually disagree about smartly testing the market. Traders who consistently bid way below market or offer way above market are annoying to deal with and end up getting ignored a lot of the time and are really only re-engaged when the reasonable companies are out of the market.

Context is really if the general perceived value of these goalies is. If market value is a 3rd and he calls every guy with a goalie and offers a 6th then he looks dumb, especially if he does it all the time.

I agree for sure. (have experienced it many times, and you're right you put those that do it on a permanent outer ring for your day).

But is a 6th (if the reports are true), really a stink bid if the goalie market used to be a third rounder and now it's less than that with some supply?

I guess a 5th would be a better starting point, but then that's getting pretty tight to the discussed 6th.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by butterfly

One thing we’ve never really talked about is what if Treliving ignored Tkachuk and made him play in Calgary last year, then walk away for free.

This question admittedly assumes that the extensions “had to happen”, but entertain that assumption for the thought experiment:

Would we be better off with:

(a.) $183 million committed to Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar, plus Schwindt in the AHL, or

(b.) Running it back with Tkachuk and Monahan for one more year, and then having nothing?

Presumably Tkachuk could have been traded at the deadline last year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't know ... some logic?

Not sure he left the team in shambles anyway. I'd say Huberdeau, Sutter and Markstrom's off season had a lot to do with things as well.

He acquired/signed/hired all three so he must take most of the blame no?

I know we like to blame the owner that lives in another country for everything

It also certainly seems like he knew he was leaving and was reckless with the franchise for one last kick at it

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Presumably Tkachuk could have been traded at the deadline last year.

With 40 points under his belt playing with Lindholm and Mangiapane under Sutter last year

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

With 40 points under his belt playing with Lindholm and Mangiapane under Sutter last year

In a contract year?

Maybe he gets those 100+ points for the Flames and they make the playoffs. Would have changed the whole league for sure.

Conroy would have had the absolute fresh start of cap space and the same expiring deals.