2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'd rather keep Vladar until the offseason and watch Colorado miss the playoffs or get drummed out 1st round then let them have Vladar for a 3rd.

That is bad asset management. I'd take something over nothing for a player not in Calgary's long term plan. Would say the same for Kuzmenko? Get market rates on both and keep churning

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'd rather keep Vladar until the offseason and watch Colorado miss the playoffs or get drummed out 1st round then let them have Vladar for a 3rd.

In the off-season you lose him for nothing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I wonder what type of value we can expect for Vladar?

He has a .906 sv %, good for 24th overall in the league. About 6 teams don't have a goalie as good as him. He also has a shutout under his belt already. His GAA is better than wolf's, good for 18th overall in the league.

We aren't getting Askarov return for Vladar, but it shouldn't be a huge amount less. Askarov got Edstrom ( a former 1st) a goalie prospect and a conditional 1st.

IMO a former 1st rounder or conditional future 1st is in the right ballpark for Vladar. Calum Ritchie maybe? Roughly half the value of Askarov.

Askarov is controlled, a former 1st rounder, and way younger.

Vladar is a rental, and has never been a number one.

Aim lower!

[JTech780]

Goalies don’t tend to get the return you would expect, especially if they have the track record to back it up.

Now a team like Colorado might be desperate for a goalie, but Vladar also isn’t going to be the only goalie available. I would think Blackwood would be near the top of most teams checking on available goalies.

I think you can get a 2nd for Vladar, but that is best case scenario.

[Monahammer]

Meh, there's value in not letting your conference get stronger for peanuts. There's also no time pressure to trading him.

Ultimately, if Cooley attracts higher bids perhaps we should trade him and look to keep Vladar longer term. He and Wolf are proving to be a great tandem.

I am aiming lower bingo, less than 50% of the package Askarov got.

[Monahammer]

Blackwood is the competition in the market, agreed 100%. But I would bet that SJ is asking for a decent package given what they paid for askarov. They have less reason to trade him away than we do Vladar.

+ it's not only Colorado. Buffalo, Utah, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and Pittsburgh could all be on the goalie hunt.

[Macindoc]

Trade Vladar at the TDL and bring Cooley up. Along with any veteran who doesn’t want to be a mentor for the rebuild.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Meh, there's value in not letting your conference get stronger for peanuts. There's also no time pressure to trading him.

Ultimately, if Cooley attracts higher bids perhaps we should trade him and look to keep Vladar longer term. He and Wolf are proving to be a great tandem.

I am aiming lower bingo, less than 50% of the package Askarov got.

I don't think Vladar is the type of player where you worry about making the competition stronger. He's an adequate NHL netminder who is a back-up who can play a larger load for a bit, but has never established himself as anything more than that.

You are aiming lower, but he's worth far less than half the package Askarov got.

[Robbob]

Aves don't have a 3rd this year or next. The 2nd they do have (ironically we got their 2nd from Washington in the Mangipane trade) is from the NYR. I know them wanting a goalie is ideal, but they don't have the draft capital unless they settle for that 2nd.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Meh, there's value in not letting your conference get stronger for peanuts. There's also no time pressure to trading him.

Ultimately, if Cooley attracts higher bids perhaps we should trade him and look to keep Vladar longer term. He and Wolf are proving to be a great tandem.

I am aiming lower bingo, less than 50% of the package Askarov got.

I would look at what Vegas got for Logan Thompson, same age, similar pedigrees, Thompson has the better track record. Vegas got a 2024 3rd and 2025 3rd. Now Thompson had another year at league minimum, Vladar is a pending UFA at $2.2m, so I would think he would return less than Thompson.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Meh, there's value in not letting your conference get stronger for peanuts. There's also no time pressure to trading him.

Ultimately, if Cooley attracts higher bids perhaps we should trade him and look to keep Vladar longer term. He and Wolf are proving to be a great tandem.

I am aiming lower bingo, less than 50% of the package Askarov got.

Askarov isn't a comparable though and a bad anchor point to begin with. What is the benefit for the Flames in getting nothing just to spite the Avs? They aren't contenders and need every futures asset they can get.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

100% Agree - but Coleman still has 2 years after this one. You have no pressure to move him at the deadline unless somebody overpays.

He might actually return more in an offseason trade.

And he has some say in where he goes....not thinking Buffalo would be a preferred destination.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by transplant99

And he has some say in where he goes....not thinking Buffalo would be a preferred destination.

Yup, Andersson and Coleman would doing the Flames a favour if htey agreed to go there.

[Robbob]

As much as I want to bring Cooley up, I think if the Flames are out of it and sellers at the TDL day, I think a strong run in the AHL playoffs will do wonders for the prospects. Unless they can do some sort of waiver or roster move to make it so he can come up to play a few games but then is also eligible to return after the season.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think you get a 3rd for Vladar.

At best........unless there are some exceptional circumstances.

He just isnt anything more than an average (again at best) NHL G at this point in time.

Those type of guys are all over the place.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Vladar might be able to get you a second this year for sure.

Flames have 47 games before the trade deadline I think, meaning Vladar likely plays at least around 22 more games and will be around 30 for the season.

If he can be around a .910 (which likely would bring his career save percentage up to around .900) then I think you could probably get a 2nd for him.

And you never know there are lots of teams that could be looking for a goalie and maybe you could even end up getting a 1st with some conditions but I would find that very unlikely. Reto Berra returned a 2nd once though so who knows.



I've said going back to the offseason that if I was Buffalo I'd be calling every day about those two. They could use a defensive responsible top 9 forward, and could use a RH dman to help stabalize and mentor their young LH guys (Dahlin, Byram, Power).

I'd be offering the farm for those 2 if I was the Sabres.

That would be a bold move from Buffalo - something that they are overdue for. They have been doing the same patient drafting for 13 years. I agree that would be perfect targets for them. How about something like this:

To Buffalo:
Andersson
Coleman (50% retained)

To Calgary:
2025 1st round pick (top 5 protected)
Helenius
2025 2nd round pick
2025 3rd round pick

Calgary gets a great natural center prospect in Helenius who was just drafted 14th overall. Buffalo is loaded with prospects so they can afford to trade away the one that is the youngest and most raw - Buffalo needs to start improving now and shouldn’t be waiting 3 years for Helenius to hopefully be an impact player.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Meh, there's value in not letting your conference get stronger for peanuts.

There's also value in not cutting half the teams out of trade talks. An asset is an asset, and when the Flames are ready to compete, Vladar is probably not going to be helping Colorado do anything.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Blackwood is the competition in the market, agreed 100%. But I would bet that SJ is asking for a decent package given what they paid for askarov. They have less reason to trade him away than we do Vladar.

+ it's not only Colorado. Buffalo, Utah, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and Pittsburgh could all be on the goalie hunt.

Buffalo has two young goalies that they really like, I can’t see them being interested in Vladar. STL has Binnington and Hofer they don’t need Vladar either. Maybe Pittsburgh, but I don’t think Utah or Philly are giving up assets for a pending UFA goalie that most likely doesn’t push them any closer.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Buffalo has two young goalies that they really like, I can’t see them being interested in Vladar. STL has Binnington and Hofer they don’t need Vladar either. Maybe Pittsburgh, but I don’t think Utah or Philly are giving up assets for a pending UFA goalie that most likely doesn’t push them any closer.

Pittsburgh is the best fit for Vladar IMO. But I think they would have to do something soon before it’s too late. Their goaltending (and team defence) is sinking their season.

[Bonded]

Dubas just said Pittsburgh is open to trade anyone not named Crosby. Doesn't sound like a team itching to pay up for an UFA goalie