[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

NHL trade valuations are weird too because there is no consistency to it.

What would Lundell be worth in a trade today?

Is it more than a 1st and a 2nd? I'm actually not sure it is.

I’d say they are pretty consistent outside of the overpays. Playoff teams rarely subtract contributing players from the roster, especially young centres. It’s why it is really a shame they didn’t do anything last deadline. Deadline trades are picks, filler, and prospects. Got to aim to get the picks in the best drafts which they at least did here.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I have said a long time ago that I don't envy the spot that Conroy is in trying to navigate the Flames through all of this. This was not an easy job for him to accomplish. Heck, I remember a lot of pundits were saying: "Calgary simply can't make that many moves in a season". Well, Conroy did.


Was this trade a home run? Nope, not at face value. Whenever you have picks involved, especially with a team like Calgary that drafts well, it has the potential to turn into a home-run win for the Flames. Miromanov sounds intriguing, though on the older spectrum of 'prospect', but let's see what he can do with the runway that Calgary can provide him that he wasn't able to get in Vegas.


Hat's off to Conroy on what was an incredibly difficult spot as a first-time GM. You can't win every trade. What you can do now, is make the most out of what you got. This is undoubtedly the 'burn it down' sell-off year, with probably more to sell next season. I doubt any further moves are made from now on, other than maybe act as the middle-man for some trade.


From this past off-season until today, I think Conroy has done a tremendous job. I have much more hope today for this team down the road than I had at this point last year. This is a breath of fresh air, quite honestly. Get rid of everyone who doesn't want to be here. Make the environment fun. Build through the draft and have kids grow up together and build chemistry together. That's how you are going to build a championship calibre team in a small market like Calgary.

Nicely said.

Also agree we have the basis for a good team here but it means hitting on some draft picks. Snag Catton or Lindstrom in this draft i think we start to look pretty good?

As far as the throw in player?
Remember when Sharangovich was a bench warmer in the playoffs? Ya good times.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You can at least be honest with your take...the Flames did indeed get more than Anaheim

Is that all you can come up with to counter what I've said? Why even post that?

Hanifin is far better than Henrique. Calgary got a marginally better return than Anaheim. Go split your hairs elsewhere.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, I have said multiple times I am not an insider. I don't get paid for this, I don't have every agent on speed dial like a guy like Friedman does. I know a few people. Those guys who do have those contacts still report things like Florida and TB are interested, Friedman practically had him in TB. I just say what I hear, why would I say the market is weak when Frank Seravelli already covered that? Then other guys like Weekes and Friedman are saying TB is hot on Hanifin and all the sudden Florida is in there. Next thing I know I get a text to watch Vegas so I throw that out there before the noise to Vegas really starts. again, I am not an insider but I am happy to share what a few friends who are in the business are kind enough to message me.

Fair enough. So, you only get information on teams and nothing on returns? Still appreciate you sharing that.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, I have said multiple times I am not an insider. I don't get paid for this, I don't have every agent on speed dial like a guy like Friedman does. I know a few people. Those guys who do have those contacts still report things like Florida and TB are interested, Friedman practically had him in TB. I just say what I hear, why would I say the market is weak when Frank Seravelli already covered that? Then other guys like Weekes and Friedman are saying TB is hot on Hanifin and all the sudden Florida is in there. Next thing I know I get a text to watch Vegas so I throw that out there before the noise to Vegas really starts. again, I am not an insider but I am happy to share what a few friends who are in the business are kind enough to message me.

Conroy would have been in constant contact with Tampa Bay, Boston, and likely Florida all week and all day today.

Those teams would have had all the time to beat this deal or make a deal that was better.

Florida hasn't even mentioned a GM. Tampa Bay im still not sure how they would have fit an extended Hanifin in unless Stamkos was walking.

If a 1st, Howard and other piece was on the table I'm sure that trade would have been accepted.

But I have a feeling that Vegas might have been the only team to even offer a 1st (which seems crazy) but based on how Conroy emphasized how important the 1st was in making the deal I think that may be true.

Now if somehow Lindholm gets flipped to Boston for a better return than the Flames got then I think we can be concerned. But at this point it feels like the market is soft, in Hanifin's case his agent really did something to soften that market even further, and Conroy is getting the best returns available to him.

And no stuff like Johansen + 1st is not a better return than 2nd + Grushnikov

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Go find all the deadline trades where top prospects were moved

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Is that all you can come up with to counter what I've said? Why even post that?

Hanifin is far better than Henrique. Calgary got a marginally better return than Anaheim. Go split your hairs elsewhere.

The pick could be far better...there is also a player who might be a player and a 2nd.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can be definitive because Hanifin is head and shoulders the best D man that was on the market. After the earlier moves where exactly was Vegas going to find a D man remotely as good? Florida and TB were definitely in play and interested. I think this is clearly a newbie GM situation where he got took by an agent and an opposing GM. The return is not disastrous but there was time and he should have used it. Again, he will learn

There is a huge, experienced team around Conroy.

I think it’s more likely this is the best deal available/would have been available based on extensive, league wide conversations.

I don’t like it, but I don’t think this comes down to a rookie GM being taken advantage of.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

These players need to gag their ####ing agents.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Go find all the deadline trades where top prospects were moved

I guess they shouldn't have waited to trade him until the deadline then.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

These players need to gag their ####ing agents.

if I were a player, I would want my acquiring team to give up as few assets as possible

[The Fonz]

My only issue with this trade is that it does not live up to the one I dreamed in my head. Why, oh why, didn’t Conroy just acquire the assets I had in my head (without consent from the other team).

[Braden]

I think I'm just more bummed about the lack of center prospect after all these UFAs have been traded. Defensive depth has improved at least, feels somewhat promising.

I'm hoping we can round up some more 2024 draft picks before the TDL. Ya 25 picks over the next 3 years is nice, but seeings how 21 is the norm I think a rebuilding team needs a lot more then just 4 extra.

Sell what you can at this point, Mangiapane, Markstrom, sign UFAs to 1 year deals and accumulate more picks next TDL. If we are so underwhelmed with UFA returns I'm on board with seeing what Andersson and Sharangovich can get with term.

[Naitix]

I think this all depends on the Hanifin re-singing or not. His value is primary in him singing another contract. Do a lot of people here would really trade much more for Hanifin as a pure rental for a playoff run? I know I wouldn’t, he is good but he is not a game changer or someone who will get your over the hump to push for a cup. He’s a 2nd paring dman on a contender.

His most lucrative value is in his next contract, you can sign him for around 7 million and he still has potential to become a 1st pairing dman and offer good value throughout the whole contract.

What Vegas gave up for Hanifin is the max I would pay for him as a rental, but he is worth more of it came with a 7x8 year extension

[dino7c]

Lol half you guys (or more) have been complaining about Hanifin for years

[calumniate]

That's a whole lotta futures

[TherapyforGlencross]

I’d be feeling better about the trade if we were in a better spot.

We are likely to draft between 8th-13th this year in a weak draft. Unlikely we obtain a #1C or D from the draft. We have one first-round pick next year, maybe two.

We have no #1 D, no #1 C, and none in the pipeline. We are in for a full rebuild it appears. Unlikely we’ll be out come new arena. 2025 and 2026 are pivotal for our future success.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I guess they shouldn't have waited to trade him until the deadline then.

Don’t disagree there. I was hoping they’d trade some players last deadlines

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Hanifin is far better than Henrique. Calgary got a marginally better return than Anaheim. Go split your hairs elsewhere.

In the future yes, but as a rental it's close. Henrique would be third in flames scoring. He's having a good year and a plus player on a very bad team. I think you're selling henrique short.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

I’d be feeling better about the trade if we were in a better spot.

We are likely to draft between 8th-13th this year in a weak draft. Unlikely we obtain a #1C or D from the draft. We have one first-round pick next year, maybe two.

We have no #1 D, no #1 C, and none in the pipeline. We are in for a full rebuild it appears. Unlikely we’ll be out come new arena. 2025 and 2026 are pivotal for our future success.

They have to find these players in the draft and they now have a lot.more chances at it after trading away all the UFAs.

You can get top 1Cs and 1Ds elsewhere in the draft. It's not a sure thing but it can be done.