The "I Don't Want To Live On This Planet Anymore" thread

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Matata

I took the plunge on flat earth and it was interesting to see how a compelling argument can be made out of a bunch of individual ideas that sound good on their own, but...

To be fair, you weren’t on my list of “top three people who find flat earther arguments compelling and the ideas ‘good on their own’” but it makes total sense now that I see it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m not sure what really causes that other than a lack of education.

It isn't really anything to do with education. People believe what they want to believe. Some people, typically insecure and alienated, want to believe that there's a powerful and malign group running the world. Global bankers, socialists, the Jews, the Freemasons, the patriarchy. It's seems like a paradox, but the idea of a sinister group or system running the world is actually comforting to the anxious. Not only does it offer an explanation for why you personally don't have as much power or status as you deserve, but you can solve the world's ills if you expose or remove the group. The reality - that nobody is really in charge of the world, and most of the bad stuff happens because we're all flawed individuals - is too awful for those who already feel insecure and powerless to contemplate.

[OMG!WTF!]

Bhad Bhaby got rhymes.....

NSFW!

I hate that I like the video. You don't have to watch it all but you're short changing yourself if you don't stick around for the David Spade delivering milk scene.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It isn't really anything to do with education. People believe what they want to believe. Some people, typically insecure and alienated, want to believe that there's a powerful and malign group running the world. Global bankers, socialists, the Jews, the Freemasons, the patriarchy. It's seems like a paradox, but the idea of a sinister group or system running the world is actually comforting to the anxious. Not only does it offer an explanation for why you personally don't have as much power or status as you deserve, but you can solve the world's ills if you expose or remove the group. The reality - that nobody is really in charge of the world, and most of the bad stuff happens because we're all flawed individuals - is too awful for those who already feel insecure and powerless to contemplate.

It does have to do somewhat with education as the more educated the less authoritarian people become.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Is every planetary body flat? Or just earth?

Probably something like this?



LOL

[Matata]

to be fair, you weren’t on my list of “top three people who find flat earther arguments compelling and the ideas ‘good on their own’” but it makes total sense now that I see it.

Some of the ideas supporting flat earth, when evaluated in a bubble, can be compelling. That's all said before completely discrediting it. I also mentioned 3 of those ideas in my post, feel free to comment on those.

Science isn't sitting on the sidelines quoting papers that support your point of view, it's about trying to define the boundary between the possible and impossible, the mystical and the real. Tesla and Newton were both into some outrageously nutty ####, but they came out on the other end with new ideas that would revolutionize the human race for all time. People who are afraid of weird ideas are people who will never develop new ideas.

[PepsiFree]

Flat earthers: revolutionaries in the making

[ken0042]

What I find interesting about flat earth is that so many of the people on the side of science just simply say "bah- they are stupid" instead of actually presenting a compelling counter argument. If the flat earth theories are so easily dismissed, then the argument must be easy to make.

Here's one- why is it that every picture of earth from space is photoshopped?

[Matata]

Small minded thinkers: doing nothing of interest or value.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ken0042

What I find interesting about flat earth is that so many of the people on the side of science just simply say "bah- they are stupid" instead of actually presenting a compelling counter argument. If the flat earth theories are so easily dismissed, then the argument must be easy to make.

Here's one- why is it that every picture of earth from space is photoshopped?

Many people say “bah, they are stupid” because the answers are easily discoverable, and flat earthers (and other conspiracy theorists) purposely ignore the information we have in favour of an invented conspiracy.

There’s no “Why can’t you answer the question??” here, the answers literally take no effort to find.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.spa...od-reason.html

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Matata

Small minded thinkers: doing nothing of interest or value.

That’s it, people who easily refute poorly constructed conspiracy theories are small minded. Whatever helps you get to sleep.

Just because you don’t understand something and revel in your lack of understanding while ignoring the information we actually have, doesn’t make you a visionary. Flat earthers aren’t Newton and Tesla, sorry to burst your bubble.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There’s no “Why can’t you answer the question??” here, the answers literally take no effort to find.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.spa...od-reason.html

Your link doesn't answer my question about why pictures of earth are photoshopped.

[CaptainCrunch]

I have to go to a flat earth convention, I just have to.

[nik-]

Think of the comedy goldmine. You'll have years of material.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Your link doesn't answer my question about why pictures of earth are photoshopped.

I mean, it absolutely answered a reason for photoshopping which applies to the earth, but ok, here’s another:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/...ole-earth/amp/

While there are many satellites constantly capturing their views of the earth, most do so at low Earth orbit, a distance too close to see the whole earth at one time. Taking a photograph of the earth from low Earth orbit is like trying to take a selfie with your phone an inch in front of your nose.

Most images of Earth in recent years have been renderings made using the thousands of closeups taken by observation satellites in low Earth orbit. For instance, the image below, which was once the default background on new iPhones, is a rendering of multiple images stitched together (plus some photoshopped clouds) rather than a snapshot.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by ken0042

What I find interesting about flat earth is that so many of the people on the side of science just simply say "bah- they are stupid" instead of actually presenting a compelling counter argument. If the flat earth theories are so easily dismissed, then the argument must be easy to make.

I think that they are so often easily dismissed as "stupid" because if they believe the earth is flat, we are so far apart in understanding and belief basics that it's not worth the time to discuss the matter.

It's just shortcutting the discussion:

Non-flat-Earther: *Gives tons of science/fact based reasons for round Earth*
Flat-Earther: "I don't believe in science."

Where do you go from that? Not only do FE's ignore basic science, but they ignore the evidence their own eyes provide in favor of their ignorance.

What else can that be called, but "stupid".

[ken0042]

First of all- let me say that I do indeed believe the earth is a sphere. However I enjoy a good debate. There is a satellite in orbit of the sun about 900,000 miles from earth, so it essentially always shows the earth in daylight.
https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Those pictures have clouds photoshopped on. (You can tell if you cycle through the photos as they use the same cloud formations over and over.) I get that it makes a better visual, but why is the only non-photoshopped picture of the earth the one taken by Apollo 17 on their way back from the moon? I like seeing the shots from the ISS where the earth is really just a backdrop to what is going on with the spacewalk.

That's my problem. Sure- flat earth is full of holes and flaws in logic. But point out those flaws and why they are wrong.

[PsYcNeT]

I think the easiest one to refute is the "circular wall of ice that surrounds earth's edge that no one has even been able to access or see alive because the world's shadow cabal of government(s) has worked seamlessly for hundreds of years together to prevent anyone from ever bringing back evidence of this".

Like...I really just want to type "lol" and leave it at that, but it's easiest to just point out that the level of co-ordination necessary for anything of that nature is just so far-fetched that it defies human ability.

[Fuzz]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d41dd4f35a57

To Ken. the clouds aren't photshopped on.

The reason we don't have any shots of the moon other than from the moon mission is becuase we haven't been far enough away from the Earth since then to get the whole Earth in one picture. Now, if you want one from a satellite you can get them from GOES every day.

https://www.metabunk.org/full-disk-h...ellites.t8676/

You can even see clouds moving, not photoshoped...

http://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.e...s=rammb-slider

[Fuzz]

The problem with Flat Earthers is they ignore evidence, and when you present them with new evidence they focus on debunking it, typically with non-truths. There is no point in debating them, becuase they are clearly wrong, but will never acknowledge it. They just dig deeper.