[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[Badgers Nose]

Kipper retiring explains the urgency.

[Ice]

The way it sounds to me (my interpretation not any sort of direct quote) there is a set price and that's that.

[bubbsy]

What's the rush to get a goalie next year???

Pretty sure the flames are worse next season, so lets ride it out for a few seasins till one of the goalie prospects get their shot.

[Badger Bob]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This just seems so odd to me for a team to decide this more than a week until the deadline.

"The asking price is too high even though we could have a week of negotiations. Better give up now."

Yeah, you'd think that Daryl would be pushing Lombardi hard to try and get him.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Ice

The way it sounds to me (my interpretation not any sort of direct quote) there is a set price and that's that.

If true, this really makes me simultaneously want to cry and face-palm. Feaster sucks.

[Ice]

Sutter could be pushing hard, but if the asking price is Bernier, Toffoli and a first (an example, I don't know the actual players involved at all) that's not going to happen. If Feaster is unwilling (speculation on my part based on a brief conversation) to move off the players he's asking for, a deal can't happen. Lombardi has wanted Iginla for years. I seriously doubt there's a lack of desire to get him. But sometimes a deal can't be reached. I doubt discussions have ended but some focus has likely been shifted to plan B.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This just seems so odd to me for a team to decide this more than a week until the deadline.

"The asking price is too high even though we could have a week of negotiations. Better give up now."

Kings don't have a 1st in his draft, they've seriously depleted their prospect pool the last couple seasons, and Bernier is outplaying Quick right now. I could easily see them not being able to keep up with offers from Boston, Pittsburgh and Chicago.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ice

I will preface this by saying I never post this kind of thing unless I trust the person I hear it from...

It sounds like the Kings have decided the asking price for Iginla is too high and are backing off.

Makes me wonder if the Flames have an asking price and are not willing to budge from it right now. Then again, things could change by the weekend when Feaster and the ownership group decide that teams are firm also and maybe they have to consider all offers with in reason.

[Jimdon]

The Flames asking price is pretty steep for someone who has statistically over the last few years made his linemates worse. I'm not a stats whiz but maybe someone who is would know the last player that benefited in a meaningful and statistical sense from playing with Iginla?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This just seems so odd to me for a team to decide this more than a week until the deadline.

"The asking price is too high even though we could have a week of negotiations. Better give up now."

Risk management - when I'm watching I'm concerned about an injury and we get squat or buyers look elsewhere and we are effed. If you get a suitable package and you're happy with the return take it as the unknown variables (injury, extra sellers come into market) could worsen a potential return.

Fwiw Hawks blogger on hockeybuzz (I know, I know) claiming offer is roster player + prospect OR top prospect + another prospect/pick.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

The Flames asking price is pretty steep for someone who has statistically over the last few years made his linemates worse. I'm not a stats whiz but maybe someone who is would know the last player that benefited in a meaningful and statistical sense from playing with Iginla?

Cammy tangauy, Sven just at the end of 12

[Flash Walken]

One obstacle for the kings is their need isn't necessarily for forwards, but for d. The assets required to get iginla could be better spent on defencemen. In fact that could be the main obstacle for la right now, pending potential deals for defence.

That is probably the scenario for the other teams on The List. Boston is playing Aaron Johnson on a regular shift. That has to change if they want to challenge for the cup.

Chicago could use an upgrade on D, Oduya a -3 against a potential western final opponent exposed a weakness on their roster. They can already score, but can they defend against the kings? Uncertain.

Quick looks less than spectacular with a young defense in front of him. They need one, maybe two more veterans to solidify their chance at making the final.

[SuperMatt18]

I really think Bernier is the sticking point for L.A.

Trading him opens up a hole in net, with Quick not quite back to form after the offseason surgery.

They probably hold off moving him until they are sure Quick is back to 100%, and that is the offseason.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

The Flames asking price is pretty steep for someone who has statistically over the last few years made his linemates worse. I'm not a stats whiz but maybe someone who is would know the last player that benefited in a meaningful and statistical sense from playing with Iginla?

Really odd post.

Iginla didn't boost David Moss's stats as a No. 1 centre, so maybe he's not worth a 1st?

Considering there was a revolving door of up to 7 or 8 different players that centered his line last year (none even close to a top line center) I'd say that's a very skewed assertion to be making, and one any competent GM wouldn't give a second thought.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Ice

The way it sounds to me (my interpretation not any sort of direct quote) there is a set price and that's that.

if there's a way to screw this up, Feaster will find it. such a horrible choice for GM, this franchise will continue to sit at the bottom of the league for as long as he's left in charge

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

if there's a way to screw this up, Feaster will find it. such a horrible choice for GM, this franchise will continue to sit at the bottom of the league for as long as he's left in charge

He's not in charge.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

The Flames asking price is pretty steep for someone who has statistically over the last few years made his linemates worse. I'm not a stats whiz but maybe someone who is would know the last player that benefited in a meaningful and statistical sense from playing with Iginla?

No, you're clearly not a stats whiz if that's what you think. Cammy, And Tanguay come to mind. Morrison. Jokinen and Glencross looked great playing with Iginla last year.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

if there's a way to screw this up, Feaster will find it. such a horrible choice for GM, this franchise will continue to sit at the bottom of the league for as long as he's left in charge

Not going to happen. Weisbrod and the ownership group will have the final say on the Iginla trade.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Really odd post.

Iginla didn't boost David Moss's stats as a No. 1 centre, so maybe he's not worth a 1st?

Considering there was a revolving door of up to 7 or 8 different players that centered his line last year (none even close to a top line center) I'd say that's a very skewed assertion to be making, and one any competent GM wouldn't give a second thought.

A guy that most people consider to have lost a step who is notoriously hard to coach and is used to being the alpha male on the team and not really having to ever answer for his play when he goes cold, who also dries up the Corsi stats of anyone who steps on the ice with him.

Every trade analysis I have heard so far always ends with something along the lines of "Nobody knows how Iginla will react to being asked to play a different/reduced role on a new team"

I really question whether the Flames would be a worse team without him this year, let alone a team who is willing to give up a significant package to aquire him.

Here, check it out for yourselves, the fact that the article is two years old is even more troubling, because Iggy hasn't improved over the last couple years.
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2010/1...jarome-iginla/

The TL;DR version? "Every single line mate saw their possession numbers go down while skating with the club’s most expensive player.:

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

A guy that most people consider to have lost a step who is notoriously hard to coach and is used to being the alpha male on the team and not really having to ever answer for his play when he goes cold, who also dries up the Corsi stats of anyone who steps on the ice with him.

Every trade analysis I have heard so far always ends with something along the lines of "Nobody knows how Iginla will react to being asked to play a different/reduced role on a new team"

I really question whether the Flames would be a worse team without him this year, let alone a team who is willing to give up a significant package to aquire him.

give your head a shake


that is all