American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

People on each side can't comprehend why the other side thinks the way they do and can't be bothered to spend the time to understand why.

They are different and are therefore the enemy who needs to be eliminated at all costs.

Now here we are.

Can you please be specific regarding which groups the left is trying to eliminate on the same existential level as right-wing groups are with the trans community?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

YOU and your attitude is precisely the problem. Name calling, your mightier than thou posts. All of it. Look at everything you post, it's pure vitriol, just like the demagogue who is likely to become POTUS. There is no discourse, no discussion, no debate, just paint everyone to doesn't agree with your viewpoint a fascist and job done. Everything you say and believe is right and everything they stand for and believe is wrong.

Here we are.

Yes, well, maybe I've just had enough of it all. People justifying their hatred with religion, their stupidity with conspiracies, their bigotry with "choice", their selfishness with entitlement...look what understanding and tolerance have led to. Take take take, push push push, more more more. Like I said, I fully understand and reject it. Are you happy enough to let it all play out? Why can't we be better? Demand better.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Are people really that worried and tangibly affected by immigration? It seems more likely that these right wing populist guys have figure out it is a winning message. Generate a bunch of fear about immigrants and get everyone to blame every problem they have on immigration.

Go through a rural part of a state like NC, VA, and WV, and you'll see all sorts of anti-immigration propaganda. There is absolutely no chance that immigrants are not going to find their towns take their jobs and rape their children, but they sure are convinced it is a big problem for them.

It's disheartening that it is a message that works so well in so many places in the world. People sure seem to have a strong belief that the fluke of where they were born entitles them and only them to be in a country.

I don't know about raping all the children, that might be a messaging thing. In reality, building of infrastructure has come to a screaching halt in comparison to population growth, and that has caused most of the friction concerning immigration. I think that the other pressing point (outside of America) is that unlike the melting pot, immigrants are dropped into a new country with very little in the way of education on the social and political norms of that country, so we are getting a lot of the problems associated with a series of isolated immigrant communities that are very insular.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Lol the left is some of the most entitled tone deaf people out there.

Mass unchecked immigration leads to a real housing crisis, corruption and secrecy are weekly news stories as our country is carrying record debt, inflation continues to be stubborn, an obsession with renewables causes multiple pipelines to be cancelled and capital investment to flee Canada causing significant job loss. Oh and the RCMP openly chat about a decrease in standard of living causing civil unrest in near future.

But ya racism or pronouns or something.

Why is the left so freaking entitled?

This is the American politics thread...

I never said that there aren't legitimate gripes for conservatives, on either side of the border, but to go as far towards absolute authoritarianism like they're headed to in the U.S. is not a reasonable response.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are you happy enough to let it all play out? Why can't we be better? Demand better.

I'm not happy about it at all. My job depends on the funding in the Inflation Reduction Act. I'm facing the real possibility that I might be looking for work in the near future. And as a non-citizen, I'm not even allowed to vote.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I'm not happy about it at all. My job depends on the funding in the Inflation Reduction Act. I'm facing the real possibility that I might be looking for work in the near future. And as a non-citizen, I'm not even allowed to vote.

Well you helped stick us with Danielle Smith before you left, so maybe... well, ok hold on you already hate me. I'll stop now.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well you helped stick us with Danielle Smith before you left, so maybe... well, ok hold on you already hate me. I'll stop now.

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't hate you.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The president right now is a Democrat, if Biden had any balls he'd go ham wild and do whatever he wants. Thanks suypremeCourt, six of you can leave. Nothing he does is illegal

That’s the difference between Biden and Trump. Biden has values; Trump has the morals of an alley cat.

[Looch City]

Trump as President would be bad enough, but can you imagine the level of corruption and incompetence within his administration this time around? Would be perfect space for rich deplorables to get more rich.

We should take guesses on which deplorables end up in which admin seats lol

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Trump as President would be bad enough, but can you imagine the level of corruption and incompetence within his administration this time around? Would be perfect space for rich deplorables to get more rich.

We should take guesses on which deplorables end up in which admin seats lol

I imagine last presidency x 10. His political opponents (Biden, Obama, Hillary, Jack Smith, Cheney, Judge Merchan, E. Jean Carroll, Stormy, Alvin Bragg…he’s keeping a list and it’s very long). They should be terrified.

[rubecube]

Biden now parroting right-wing anti-trans B.S.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808265518064738790

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Why do they keep trying to spin this? Every excuse sounds dumber than the previous one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808268298137600377

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

This is the American politics thread...

I never said that there aren't legitimate gripes for conservatives, on either side of the border, but to go as far towards absolute authoritarianism like they're headed to in the U.S. is not a reasonable response.

You kinda dismissed legitimate gripes as aversion to pronouns and environmental concerns. Respectfully speaking its out of touch. Its also why Liberalism is falling down a flight of stairs. In US you have a geriatric candidate who the Dems wouldn’t replace, because they thought Trump would be in jail or unpalatable to “normal” Americans.

Here in Canada same thing, and Trudeau is on pace to get demolished hooking up with the NDP.

The left had their real chance in 2016 to wake up and realize that as smooth as Obama was he didn’t resonate in real terms with the electorate. Hes a rockstar for Liberals, but outside that he isn’t really respected the same way. Clinton fell on the sword but the Dems in arrogance learned nothing. Its still this fixation Trump is so evil anyone who would vote for him is evil too. Its entitled and arrogant and why the Dems are screwed.

Listen to the All In podcast with Trump. Its recent. Like genuinely listen to it. I still think Trump is awful choice and don’t support him, but he speaks to the problems people face in simple terms. It actually makes sense why people support him that aren’t bad people. Its the Dems that are shooting themselves all over again

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Why do they keep trying to spin this? Every excuse sounds dumber than the previous one.

It sounds like their damage control is about as incoherent as the debate performance:

Biden's performance at the debate has left many of his own aides worried about his mental fitness, and angry about what they see as a lack of candor from Biden's senior aides.

• "It's the first topic of every conversation," one White House official said. "Senior leadership has given us nothing. To act like it's business as usual is delusional."
• Another official put it more bluntly: "Everyone is freaking the f*** out."
• "The uncertainty after Thursday is palpable and anxiety is only increasing," a third White House official told Axios.
• "People are looking for leadership and direction that they were told to trust, and hoped was there, but aren't yet feeling in what is now clearly a defining moment for this presidency."

On Friday, the day after Biden's debate against former President Trump, many senior White House officials addressed the president's lackluster performance with staffers.

• Many officials felt they only were being given talking points, with no real explanation of why Biden appeared unable to string sentences together or articulate a case for himself over Trump.
• The lack of answers from senior aides has continued this week, leading to growing anger and resentment among many inside the Biden camp.

But hey, at least they're taking the situation seriously:

Part of Biden's team sees the debate as just one bad night that will blow over, and points out that many of the president's critics previously have counted him out when he faced challenges.

• One longtime Biden aide told Axios: "Davos Dems love to hedge their bets against us and get hysterical, like they did in 2019. And just like after 2020, they will come back with their DNC convention lanyards in their hands, begging for Christmas party invitations and then for a plus-one."

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/02/bid...ing-out-debate

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

The left had their real chance in 2016 to wake up and realize that as smooth as Obama was he didn’t resonate in real terms with the electorate.

Imagine thinking Barack Obama is a leftist.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

You kinda dismissed legitimate gripes as aversion to pronouns and environmental concerns. Respectfully speaking its out of touch. Its also why Liberalism is falling down a flight of stairs. In US you have a geriatric candidate who the Dems wouldn’t replace, because they thought Trump would be in jail or unpalatable to “normal” Americans.

Here in Canada same thing, and Trudeau is on pace to get demolished hooking up with the NDP.

The left had their real chance in 2016 to wake up and realize that as smooth as Obama was he didn’t resonate in real terms with the electorate. Hes a rockstar for Liberals, but outside that he isn’t really respected the same way. Clinton fell on the sword but the Dems in arrogance learned nothing. Its still this fixation Trump is so evil anyone who would vote for him is evil too. Its entitled and arrogant and why the Dems are screwed.

Listen to the All In podcast with Trump. Its recent. Like genuinely listen to it. I still think Trump is awful choice and don’t support him, but he speaks to the problems people face in simple terms. It actually makes sense why people support him that aren’t bad people. Its the Dems that are shooting themselves all over again

You're preaching to the choir when you say the Liberals and Democrats are out of touch. They're both beholden to interests that aren't necessarily helping average people.

But why can't we help disadvantaged groups at the same time? They're being used as scapegoats to hide who's really ####ing over John Q. Lunchpail: the rich corporate ####s whose greed is a bigger cause of housing insecurity and inflation that anyone else.

And why, may you ask, are we so obsessed about renewable energy? Because big oil spent decades, and billions of dollars, telling us climate change wasn't real, so now we're ####ed if we don't make changes now. I'm sure we can both agree that that isn't feasible but don't blame the ####ing left for that. I feel for the people in the hollers of West Virginia, but coal energy should have been a thing of the past a long time ago.

I'll pass on listening to that podcast because Jason Calacanis annoys the piss out of me. I know why people support Trump. I'm not one of those who say it's because they're stupid, but they're being fed bull#### and they're eating it up. I don't blame them because Trump is telling them he's going to solve all their problems, while behind closed doors he's promising billionaires even more tax cuts. I feel bad for them too.

[activeStick]

Read that the first Democrat Congressperson, Lloyd Doggett of Texas came out today publicly asking Biden to remove himself from the race.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Why do they keep trying to spin this? Every excuse sounds dumber than the previous one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1808268298137600377

The debate was 12 days after he returned from his global endeavours and if I'm not mistaken he spent the week leading up to the debate at Camp David being coached and prepped. If he needs more time than that to recover and he can't handle being on the global stage he probably shouldn't be running for President again. Biden's debate prep never started before 11am and included time for an afternoon nap.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

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Listen to the All In podcast with Trump. Its recent. Like genuinely listen to it. I still think Trump is awful choice and don’t support him, but he speaks to the problems people face in simple terms. It actually makes sense why people support him that aren’t bad people. Its the Dems that are shooting themselves all over again

I got tricked into listening to the Kushner interview in the same way. It's like an MLM.

Those guys are experts in PE and Tech. When they step outside of those topics you might as well be chatting with your own besties.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The president right now is a Democrat, if Biden had any balls he'd go ham wild and do whatever he wants. Thanks suypremeCourt, six of you can leave. Nothing he does is illegal

There’s a difference between him ordering something illegal and changing the rules. A president does not have the power to make laws, even illegally. I don’t think this ruling gives him new powers per se, just allows him to use the powers he has for ill with no consequences.

For example he could order the military to do something since he is commander in chief, but he can’t order a state AG to fudge the numbers because they don’t report to him. (Whether the military would obey a normally illegal order is a different question)