American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Take Back Alberta, a MAGA-like movement, is pulling some strings behind the scenes of our current provincial government.

It's already here.

Not to mention their war of the rainbow flag and steady decline into Gilead that our more moronic citizens seem happy to embrace. And premiers.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

This might make sense in a theoretical level, but in the real world it creates massive problems. There are too many nuanced situations that come up, such that the congress can't possibly understand all the intricacies of each situation and write specific legislation for each one. It's just not practical. Even if it somehow was practical, you're swapping the on-the-ground, in-depth expertise of people who actually understand what the regulations should be, for the surface-level knowledge of Washington-DC politicians.

Then you have the problem of gridlock in congress. Unless democrats have control of all 3 chambers, no regulations get passed. Republicans only want to block regulations and remove the ones that already exist. The result is corporations having free reign to pollute the environment and harm the consumer all they want, and a handcuffed government unable to do anything about it.

But it's not a given that overturning Chevron will reduce regulations, with the original case being a great example. The case happened because the EPA relaxed its definition of "pollution source" under Reagan to reduce oversight, and an environmental group successfully challenged that change. Eventually it went to the Supreme Court and the environmental advocacy group lost the case, which brought in the Chevron deference.

So in that case, it was groups that wanted less regulation and oversight by government entities that supported the Chevron deference. That's not to say that it can't be used to reduce regulation and oversight, but it doesn't necessarily do so inherently.

And other countries don't necessarily have an equivalent and they seem to get along fine. Canada is pretty similar to the US in the that regard, but most other industrialized nations have far more limited (or zero) deference rules.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Are the nutjobs inspired and wrapped up in MAGA and QAnon ####? Yes, absolutely but their movement and actions have had little impact on the political landscape and on the daily lives of Canadians.

They and their ilk will be putting Pierre Poilievre in power.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

They and their ilk will be putting Pierre Poilievre in power.

Oh no. The current government is doing more to put the CPC in power than any one else.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Oh no. The current government is doing more to put the CPC in power than any one else.

There is a general trend towards right-wing/authoritarian governments at the moment, for various reasons. This isn't just a liberal problem. It's a liberal democracy problem.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

There is a general trend towards right-wing/authoritarian governments at the moment, for various reasons. This isn't just a liberal problem. It's a liberal democracy problem.

The pendulum swung too far to the left over the last decade around the globe and has disappointed the electorate and now it is swinging back the other way.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Are the nutjobs inspired and wrapped up in MAGA and QAnon ####? Yes, absolutely but their movement and actions have had little impact on the political landscape and on the daily lives of Canadians. I definitely don't have any fear or worry that things are going to be massively impacted here based on ongoing MAGA action in the US.

The petro patriots blocked me on the hwy this spring based on this bull#### spewing from America. That impacts my daily life which is 10x more than I ever want impacting my daily life.

Americas greatest export is their Bull#### and Trump continues to fire the cannon. The politics of America mostly driven by republicans is hell bent on crushing democracy to get just a little bit richer.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The pendulum swung too far to the left over the last decade around the globe and has disappointed the electorate and now it is swinging back the other way.

What was too far left that every country now has to rebound from?

Also, there is a difference between moderate right wing politics of 2014 and .... Whatever this is in 2024. Canada included.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The pendulum swung too far to the left over the last decade around the globe and has disappointed the electorate and now it is swinging back the other way.

Oh great, people couldn't handle such pernicious ideas as different pronouns and renewable energy. Better bring back fascism.

[GGG]

Ultimately I think it is rich corporations and financial markets require at least the illusion of a stable and functioning democracy. Ultimately money will defeat populism.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

What was too far left that every country now has to rebound from?

Also, there is a difference between moderate right wing politics of 2014 and .... Whatever this is in 2024. Canada included.

It's late stage capitalism. This is a second gilded.


https://robertreich.org/post/730907453424795648

[Ozy_Flame]

Today's supreme court decision literally would make the Watergate scandal all legal and kosher.

If people are swinging back right, I hope they fall of their swings and hit their heads on fascist concrete.

[BigThief]

some people wanted too much equality
-calgarygeologist

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by BigThief

some people wanted too much equality
-calgarygeologist

Damn, wicked burn. I'll be in the cold plunge tub for awhile.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Oh great, people couldn't handle such pernicious ideas as different pronouns and renewable energy. Better bring back fascism.

People on each side can't comprehend why the other side thinks the way they do and can't be bothered to spend the time to understand why.

They are different and are therefore the enemy who needs to be eliminated at all costs.

Now here we are.

[BigThief]

One side are fascists as proven by the supreme Court

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

People on each side can't comprehend why the other side thinks the way they do and can't be bothered to spend the time to understand why.

They are different and are therefore the enemy who needs to be eliminated at all costs.

Now here we are.

Yes, that's always the problem. Blame the people trying to defend rights and stamp out bigotry. "If only they'd try to understand why we hate them and demand control of their lives and their bodies!"


We understand. It's not ####ing complicated. We've rejected it.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Oh great, people couldn't handle such pernicious ideas as different pronouns and renewable energy. Better bring back fascism.

Lol the left is some of the most entitled tone deaf people out there.

Mass unchecked immigration leads to a real housing crisis, corruption and secrecy are weekly news stories as our country is carrying record debt, inflation continues to be stubborn, an obsession with renewables causes multiple pipelines to be cancelled and capital investment to flee Canada causing significant job loss. Oh and the RCMP openly chat about a decrease in standard of living causing civil unrest in near future.

But ya racism or pronouns or something.

Why is the left so freaking entitled?

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Lol the left is some of the most entitled tone deaf people out there.

Mass unchecked immigration leads to a real housing crisis, corruption and secrecy are weekly news stories as our country is carrying record debt, inflation continues to be stubborn, an obsession with renewables causes multiple pipelines to be cancelled and capital investment to flee Canada causing significant job loss. Oh and the RCMP openly chat about a decrease in standard of living causing civil unrest in near future.

But ya racism or pronouns or something.

Why is the left so freaking entitled?

I mean we could maybe argue all of your points but the "an obsession with renewables causes multiple pipelines to be cancelled and capital investment to flee Canada" is pure comedy HAHAHAH, are you sitting on the UCP board or something?

Atleast we solved the damn unsightly windmills here in 'Berta right??

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Lol the left is some of the most entitled tone deaf people out there.

Mass unchecked immigration leads to a real housing crisis, corruption and secrecy are weekly news stories as our country is carrying record debt, inflation continues to be stubborn, an obsession with renewables causes multiple pipelines to be cancelled and capital investment to flee Canada causing significant job loss. Oh and the RCMP openly chat about a decrease in standard of living causing civil unrest in near future.

But ya racism or pronouns or something.

Why is the left so freaking entitled?

Hold on there, citation ####ing needed. "An obsession with renewables causing job and investment losses"? How about an ideological turnip using vague unintelligible "rules" to shut down 2 industries in Alberta, killing investment, jobs and ultimately increasing our energy costs?


But ya, "the left".