2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/taj1944/s...63912300617728

Kypreos speculating Van is looking to dump Schmidt so they can acquire OEL.

Tremendous.

[Knut]

We all know Eichel is going to Vegas.

[Tbull8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d_Q7E7__V4

Interesting video with trade proposals for each team. Obviously this doesn't really take into account each teams cap situation, more just what it might take.

Has the flames giving up Monahan, Dube, '21 1st, Pelletier.

I am 100% on board if that were the case

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d_Q7E7__V4

Interesting video with trade proposals for each team. Obviously this doesn't really take into account each teams cap situation, more just what it might take.

Has the flames giving up Monahan, Dube, '21 1st, Pelletier.

I am 100% on board if that were the case

The guy is on crack, and I wouldn't touch any of those deals, especially the Flames deal, with a 1000 foot pole. Absolutely brutal for a guy that has done nothing in his career and is staring a career threatening injury in the face.

[SuperMatt18]

355 points in 375 games, including 2 PPG+ seasons is nothing? That's news to me.

The same logic about Eichel not being a winner could have been applied to Ryan O'Reilly...and then he won in St.Louis.

Or Joe Thornton...and then he transformed San Jose into a contender for a decade.

The injury concerns are fair. But nobody is a winner...until they win.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The guy is on crack, and I wouldn't touch any of those deals, especially the Flames deal, with a 1000 foot pole. Absolutely brutal for a guy that has done nothing in his career and is staring a career threatening injury in the face.

I get the injury risk but using the bolded as a measure, Flames would be giving up nothing. I mean what would qualify as doing something?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

355 points in 375 games, including 2 PPG+ seasons is nothing? That's news to me.

The same logic about Eichel not being a winner could have been applied to Ryan O'Reilly...and then he won in St.Louis.

Or Joe Thornton...and then he transformed San Jose into a contender for a decade.

The injury concerns are fair. But nobody is a winner...until they win.

Wasn’t Jaybo supposed to be playoff proof at some point in his career?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wasn’t Jaybo supposed to be playoff proof at some point in his career?

This is always the narrative.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk couldn't win...until they won.

Tampa Bay didn't have the killer instinct after they were swept by Columbus...until they won back to back the next two seasons.

Washington and Ovy didn't have what it took in the playoffs...until they did.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The guy is on crack, and I wouldn't touch any of those deals, especially the Flames deal, with a 1000 foot pole. Absolutely brutal for a guy that has done nothing in his career and is staring a career threatening injury in the face.

Tell me you've never watched Eichel play without telling me... holy hyperbole haha

The guy is an absolute game changing centerman: something the Flames haven't had since Nieuwendyk. Monahan is also going into his, what, 3rd surgery?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I get the injury risk but using the bolded as a measure, Flames would be giving up nothing. I mean what would qualify as doing something?

Where do we start? How about elevating his game? How about making his team better? How about making his linemates better? How about being half the player he claims to be?

Here's the thing about Eichel that I can't stand. This is a guy that seems to believe he's in the same class as Connor McDavid, yet he's 220 points behind McHobo and hasn't done a damn thing to make his team better. Even in personal measures he's even fallen behind Marner in his draft class and has Aho, Rantanen, and Barzal breathing down his neck as being better producers, let alone more impactful players. Eichel is over-rated and hasn't figured out it's a team game. There is no "i" in team, but there is in Eichel. Until he has his Yzerman moment he will never be half the player he believes he is. I would hate to see the Flames spend a bunch of assets on a player that is more concerned about his personal stats more than the success of the team. Eichel is the former, not the latter.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Where do we start? How about elevating his game? How about making his team better? How about making his linemates better? How about being half the player he claims to be?

Here's the thing about Eichel that I can't stand. This is a guy that seems to believe he's in the same class as Connor McDavid, yet he's 220 points behind McHobo and hasn't done a damn thing to make his team better. Even in personal measures he's even fallen behind Marner in his draft class and has Aho, Rantanen, and Barzal breathing down his neck as being better producers, let alone more impactful players. Eichel is over-rated and hasn't figured out it's a team game. There is no "i" in team, but there is in Eichel. Until he has his Yzerman moment he will never be half the player he believes he is. I would hate to see the Flames spend a bunch of assets on a player that is more concerned about his personal stats more than the success of the team. Eichel is the former, not the latter.

Yes he has. He's tied for 9th in points per game among centres since 2016/2017 while playing on the worst managed hockey team in the league. He helped get Jeff Skinner a $9M AAV, 8 year contract.

Blaming the best player on the worst managed team in the league for that team's poor results is insane. If you want to see what players can do when they get away from that organization just take a peak at Ryan O'Reilly. Playing for the Sabres made O'Reilly hate the game of hockey. After he got traded to St. Louis...how'd that work out?

(Sean Monahan is 26th in that same stretch of time)

Also there's very clearly an I in Yzerman. It's pronounced I-zer-man.

[SuperMatt18]

Ah yes the famed “Yzerman” moment.

Yzerman didn’t win a cup because he changed his game. His offensive production dropped off as he got older like any player, and played better defense as his game evolved naturally as he got older.

Yzerman won a cup in his 14th season as a 31 year old player because Detroit added Fedorov, Shanahan, Lidstrom, Larionov, Kozlov, Murphy, etc and built a core that could win a cup.

The famed “Yzerman Moment” is more myth than fact at this point. And even if it was true then Eichel still is 7 years younger than Yzerman was when he had his “moment”.

Honestly it would be like saying Tampa Won a cup now because Stamkos committed to playing better team hockey, when really they just built a strong team.

And the funniest part is if you look at advanced metrics then Eichel was actually much better defensively this year and had a great defensive season before his injury.

https://twitter.com/hockeystatscz/st...414603782?s=21

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Where do we start? How about elevating his game? How about making his team better? How about making his linemates better? How about being half the player he claims to be?

Here's the thing about Eichel that I can't stand. This is a guy that seems to believe he's in the same class as Connor McDavid, yet he's 220 points behind McHobo and hasn't done a damn thing to make his team better. Even in personal measures he's even fallen behind Marner in his draft class and has Aho, Rantanen, and Barzal breathing down his neck as being better producers, let alone more impactful players. Eichel is over-rated and hasn't figured out it's a team game. There is no "i" in team, but there is in Eichel. Until he has his Yzerman moment he will never be half the player he believes he is. I would hate to see the Flames spend a bunch of assets on a player that is more concerned about his personal stats more than the success of the team. Eichel is the former, not the latter.

That's quite the narrative. I thought he had a history of making guys like Olofsson better(especially on the PP), same with Skinner. As far as putting himself ahead of his team? I don't have that information. He is unhappy in Buffalo, and he doesn't seem to trust their medical staff. I don't remember him throwing teammates under a bus. As far as Hall, I don't know if it was a matter of chemistry, Eichel's health or what, but that experiment failed.

[Goriders]

If Eichel’s neck isn’t destroyed and we can send monahan and dube to the sabres and get eichel back then do it.

Pelletier looked good at the world juniors. But not that good.

It would be nice to at least get their 2nd round pick for our first.

[Tbull8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7GgoZzRPQ4

Just a highlight package but still pretty fun to watch

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Goriders

If Eichel’s neck isn’t destroyed and we can send monahan and dube to the sabres and get eichel back then do it.

Pelletier looked good at the world juniors. But not that good.

It would be nice to at least get their 2nd round pick for our first.

Come on that trade is a dream scenario and you are going to negotiate on it

[Poe969]

If he makes his teammates better, why isn't the team better?

I do think he's good but I think he's over rated and not worth what some people are suggesting. And this injury and possible surgery are scary as heck. Getting him will not make the team an contender, they'll still be an average team that just gave up prospects and picks that will weaken them even more in the future.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Knut

We all know Eichel is going to Vegas.

Yup, for a bunch of futures. Then they will let him sit on LTIR all year and then he will miraculously be ready to roll come game 1. If you are not circumventing the cap you are not trying.

[dino7c]

Eichel had 18 points in 21 games while injured

people act like he was James Neal out there

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If he makes his teammates better, why isn't the team better?

I do think he's good but I think he's over rated and not worth what some people are suggesting. And this injury and possible surgery are scary as heck. Getting him will not make the team an contender, they'll still be an average team that just gave up prospects and picks that will weaken them even more in the future.

Because:

Kyle Okposo: $6M
Jeff Skinner: $9M
Starting Goalie: Don't have one of those
Defence: Rasmus Dahlin and a whole bunch of bad
2nd line centre: Nope, don't need that.
2nd best player: He wants out too.
2nd best defenceman (who isn't good): He hilariously enough also wants out.
Head coaches? A new one every 2 years.
General managers? A new one every 3 years.