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Old 05-16-2023, 01:19 PM   #14981
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Move whoever you can for picks. If a valuable trade is available, then make it. If not, bring up the young guys and let's see what the new coach can do. They've got to be more exciting than what we've been watching. We definitely do not need a retread coach or more long term contracts for aging players. If available, draft Danielson.
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Old 05-16-2023, 03:42 PM   #14982
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IF the Leafs actually wanted to move him, the cost would be ridiculously steep and so much so that it is likely prohibitive considering he would be a UFA and could walk for nothing at the end of next year.

Personally, I think it would cost you Wolf and Hanifin (and probably a pick) to make this happen. Are you swinging a deal like this (even without a pick) for possibly 1 season of Nylander? I'm not.
Why, if the Leafs wanted to move him, would the cost be prohibitively steep? If we wanted to move Hanifin, we should simply make the cost prohibitively steep also. Just playing by the same rules, right?

And why in hell would we throw in our best prospect as a sweetener? For a guy who is one year from being a UFA?
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Old 05-16-2023, 03:49 PM   #14983
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why wouldn't detroit just trade the pick for debrincat
Because Yzerman doesn't read CalgaryPuck. Obviously.
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Old 05-16-2023, 04:37 PM   #14984
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The concensus out of Toronto is that the flames top 3 assets aren't enough to trade for the Leafs 4th best forward, and 5th best player. I'm not sure if there's anything to discuss past that.
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Old 05-17-2023, 07:59 AM   #14985
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Would you trade away Kadri and 6 years left at $7m/year

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Tavares and 2 years left at $11m/year

Both are same age.
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Old 05-17-2023, 08:10 AM   #14986
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Would you trade away Kadri and 6 years left at $7m/year

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Both are same age.
I don't know if that 4 mill over 2 years works to CGYs favor. I'd say yes but other asset management goes right out the window.
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Old 05-17-2023, 08:10 AM   #14987
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Would you trade away Kadri and 6 years left at $7m/year

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Both are same age.
I’d take Tavares every day and twice on Sunday’s. These long term contracts kill us. I’d rather not end up with another Lucic situation. I really would rather lose out on the hot FA than be straddled with a long term anchor. No team learns from this stuff. It’s poor management. Cut guys loose instead of being desperate.
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Old 05-17-2023, 08:58 AM   #14988
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Both are same age.
No, because JT is never waiving his NMC to leave Toronto let alone for Calgary.
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No, because JT is never waiving his NMC to leave Toronto let alone for Calgary.
He's going nowhere as he said as much to Leafs media a few days ago. Leafs are stuck with him for the duration of the contract. I'm willing to bet at the conclusion of his current deal he either re-signs with the Leafs on the cheap or retires.
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Old 05-17-2023, 10:06 AM   #14990
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I think the obvious and most likely move for the leafs will be William Nylander. He’s the oldest (except for Tavares who has a NMC) and least productive of the top guys. 1 year left till UFA and will likely command over $9 million so re-sign. They’ll likely target someone younger and more cost-controlled in the trade. Not sure who a good trade partner would be for them but moving Nylander is probably the least risky move they could make.


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Old 05-17-2023, 11:18 AM   #14991
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IF the Leafs actually wanted to move him, the cost would be ridiculously steep and so much so that it is likely prohibitive considering he would be a UFA and could walk for nothing at the end of next year.

Personally, I think it would cost you Wolf and Hanifin (and probably a pick) to make this happen. Are you swinging a deal like this (even without a pick) for possibly 1 season of Nylander? I'm not.
Not sure why the trade value of Hanifin and Nylander wouldn't be, more or less, the same.

Not that the trade actually makes sense, as each team would be looking to save cap space in making the trade in the first place.
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Not sure why the trade value of Hanifin and Nylander wouldn't be, more or less, the same.

Not that the trade actually makes sense, as each team would be looking to save cap space in making the trade in the first place.
Because Hanifin is terribly underrated especially here.
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I'm not sure where half these teams are going to trade their players.
Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, Calgary, TB, and Boston are all looking to clear cap space, is there even enough cap space in the league to accommodate the rising contract vs. expiring?
Never mind the teams with space have space for a reason and it's not to acquire crap contracts unless an enormous premium is paid. The Carolina, Buffalo, and New Jersey aren't taking on old guys after spending the better part of a decade building a younger fast team
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I'm not sure where half these teams are going to trade their players.
Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Vancouver, Calgary, TB, and Boston are all looking to clear cap space, is there even enough cap space in the league to accommodate the rising contract vs. expiring?
Never mind the teams with space have space for a reason and it's not to acquire crap contracts unless an enormous premium is paid. The Carolina, Buffalo, and New Jersey aren't taking on old guys after spending the better part of a decade building a younger fast team
I think Chicago would be willing to take on a Taveras or a Hall if the cost was essentially zero as those players would help Bedard and they have cap space and those contracts are not too long.

I doubt they have any interest in rentals like Lindholm as the cost would be high and they would have no interest in signing him to a long term contract.

They will rebuild more slowly and not give up young assets for older ones, even very good older ones.

They might take shorter term cap dumps for high draft picks.
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If the Leafs by chance can't work out things with Matthews and he goes to free agency, their big contracts come off the books the same time McDavid hits free agency and they would have all the space in the world to outbid Edmonton and most other teams. I would probably rather pay McDavid over $15 million than Matthews as with those wheels he should be elite well into his 30's.
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If the Leafs by chance can't work out things with Matthews and he goes to free agency, their big contracts come off the books the same time McDavid hits free agency and they would have all the space in the world to outbid Edmonton and most other teams. I would probably rather pay McDavid over $15 million than Matthews as with those wheels he should be elite well into his 30's.
It wouldn't shock me if Matthews end up in the US and McDavid with Toronto.

It surprised me to hear Matthews talking about wanting to stay in Toronto. But I've heard that lip speak before.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:10 PM   #14997
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Nylander would probably be perfect for Seattle. They could use a star upfront, they have the assets, and they have the cap space.
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Old 05-17-2023, 02:24 PM   #14998
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I am hearing Keller wants out of Arizona now. I would definitely want the Flames in play on him. He reminds me of Johnny.
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Old 05-17-2023, 02:30 PM   #14999
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I am hearing Keller wants out of Arizona now. I would definitely want the Flames in play on him. He reminds me of Johnny.
He wasn't technically a Maloney pick but I wonder how much input Maloney would have had on the scouting staff that draft year prior to him getting fired a couple weeks before the draft.
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Would you trade away Kadri and 6 years left at $7m/year

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Both are same age.
Easy yes

Kadri already quit anyway
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