Russia invades Ukraine

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

If you had any other normal conservative in office in the US, they would be viewing this as the best opportunity since WWII to permanently weaken their greatest enemy and they wouldn't even need to sacrifice a single American life. All they have to do is build weapons and ammunition (which they love to do anyway) and lend-lease to Ukraine.

This president seems to think Russia is America's friend.

I agree with your post but I think this lets America and the west off the hook from 2022-2025 under Biden/Harris. I actually think the lack of meaningful positive outlook for this war from Ukraine's perspective played a role in the results of the election. If Ukraine was really winning and on the offensive, American's would have been little more receptive to more aid. It does appear that the world has sent untold billions in aid, Ukraine will lose significant territory and the level of death and destruction is untold. We are pretty much at the 2nd worst scenario possible for Ukraine.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I agree with your post but I think this lets America and the west off the hook from 2022-2025 under Biden/Harris. I actually think the lack of meaningful positive outlook for this war from Ukraine's perspective played a role in the results of the election. If Ukraine was really winning and on the offensive, American's would have been little more receptive to more aid. It does appear that the world has sent untold billions in aid, Ukraine will lose significant territory and the level of death and destruction is untold. We are pretty much at the 2nd worst scenario possible for Ukraine.

You can say it - Trump is actively trying to #### over Ukraine. You don’t have to make it primarily about Biden or Harris.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You can say it - Trump is actively trying to #### over Ukraine. You don’t have to make it primarily about Biden or Harris.

I have no problem saying it at all. Trump will probably screw this up and **** over Ukraine. You know who also may as well? Europe. Too much screwing around from them from the start. Do I think they are going to backfill support, massively increase defense spending and actual put in place sanctions with teeth? Doubtful now. Seems like a lot of people are moving on slowly unfortunately which is what I feared would happen with all the time wasting and spaghetti level strength towards Putin.

Trump and Putin aren't my guys. Can YOU admit that the reason Ukraine is in a bad position at this stage is because of Biden/Harris and the western leaders? They were the ones in charge the last 3+ years driving the bus.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Makes me sick to my stomach that America is selling out Ukraine. I can't even begin to think what Ukrainians are feeling now.

Hopefully Europe unites and backs Ukraine.

Canada could always help more too.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Trump and Putin aren't my guys. Can YOU admit that the reason Ukraine is in a bad position at this stage is because of Biden/Harris and the western leaders? They were the ones in charge the last 3+ years driving the bus.

What is your major malfunction?

Putin. Putin is the reason Ukraine is in a bad position. Russia. Not Biden. Not Harris. Putin.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

What is your major malfunction?

Putin. Putin is the reason Ukraine is in a bad position. Russia. Not Biden. Not Harris. Putin.

I am pretty sure we are all in agreement on that one. Nobody denying who the aggressor is here. What is shocking is how limp of a response the world has had to it. We are literally talking about NATO, the west and the USA. This shouldn't even be remotely close from an economic and technology perspective, forget militarily which it's shocking what we have really given which isn't really a lot.

We literally have all the resources known to man to marshal significantly vs Russia but haven't really.

Everybody knows Putin is to blame.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am pretty sure we are all in agreement on that one. Nobody denying who the aggressor is here. What is shocking is how limp of a response the world has had to it. We are literally talking about NATO, the west and the USA. This shouldn't even be remotely close from an economic and technology perspective, forget militarily which it's shocking what we have really given which isn't really a lot.

We literally have all the resources known to man to marshal significantly vs Russia but haven't really.

Everybody knows Putin is to blame.

What exactly are you arguing about, then?

What would you have had Biden (-Harris has nothing to do with this as VP) try to do on this file that he didn't do? The President, in spite of what Trump and co believe, doesn't have the real power to force things through without congressional support and approval. They got an incredible amount of funding out the door to Ukraine, set up european allies to provide near term support, convinced Germany to get Rhinemetal in the game, all with a semi-beligerent republican controlled congress hamstringing them constantly.

Trump literally tried to torpedo Ukraine funding multiple times through government shutdowns as a candidate by throwing his weight around on the speaker.

How can you possibly believe this is Biden's fault at all? If Biden hadn't pushed so hard Ukraine would likely have lost early on in the war.

[Harry Lime]

The only stronger response that is available to the west, would be to take Belarus.

That's as far as you can go with brinksmanship.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Mother ####ers hit the sarcophagus at Chernobyl…. What the absolute ####…

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What exactly are you arguing about, then?

What would you have had Biden (-Harris has nothing to do with this as VP) try to do on this file that he didn't do? The President, in spite of what Trump and co believe, doesn't have the real power to force things through without congressional support and approval. They got an incredible amount of funding out the door to Ukraine, set up european allies to provide near term support, convinced Germany to get Rhinemetal in the game, all with a semi-beligerent republican controlled congress hamstringing them constantly.

Trump literally tried to torpedo Ukraine funding multiple times through government shutdowns as a candidate by throwing his weight around on the speaker.

How can you possibly believe this is Biden's fault at all? If Biden hadn't pushed so hard Ukraine would likely have lost early on in the war.

Nobody really knows what Curves is talking about.............ever

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Canada could always help more too.

Yes, and Canada does. There is a website that tracks what they are supplying (it's mostly 155mm shells). https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...o-ukraine.html

But America has the most powerful military that ever existed and is the wealthiest country that ever existed. Their military stockpiles dwarf anyone else's. If Russia was truly the enemy, they could win this war with a fraction of their military budget and with zero lives lost.

But since Trump and Putin are buddies, he's reluctant to remove them from Ukraine.

[Harry Lime]

Trump is talking about halving the military budget, to only half a trillion. Either the Americans have to admit that most of that budget does not go to the military, or the US 100% had the ability to missile money this Russia problem away, and didn't.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

What exactly are you arguing about, then?

What would you have had Biden (-Harris has nothing to do with this as VP) try to do on this file that he didn't do? The President, in spite of what Trump and co believe, doesn't have the real power to force things through without congressional support and approval. They got an incredible amount of funding out the door to Ukraine, set up european allies to provide near term support, convinced Germany to get Rhinemetal in the game, all with a semi-beligerent republican controlled congress hamstringing them constantly.

Trump literally tried to torpedo Ukraine funding multiple times through government shutdowns as a candidate by throwing his weight around on the speaker.

How can you possibly believe this is Biden's fault at all? If Biden hadn't pushed so hard Ukraine would likely have lost early on in the war.

Then initial source of this was when I pointed out that the current administrations policy of saying out loud that NATO membership won't happen and neither will the the pre 2014 borders, would have been the same if Harris won. It's not like Biden/Harris fought for NATO and Trump is killing that dream. It was never on the table.

I am no Trump fan at all but one of the reasons why Ukraine is in a poor position conflict wise is because of poor decisions by Biden and NATO leaders. The question that still has not been answered by the west is what is the objective of this war for West/Ukraine vs Russia? If the objective is to actually push out Russia troops then what we have given them in equipment and materials is nowhere near sufficient. I still go back to Biden's statement of "Ukraine doesn't need F16's" meanwhile military experts indicate that no modern war has ever been won without strong air support/superiority. F16's arrived WAY too late to make a difference.

There have been enough articles recently where Ukrainian officials stress their frustration with the Biden admin, US policy on weapons and even delivery methods. Zelensky gave a basic example of trying to save money by using the largest freight planes in the world (Ukraine's) to bring in equipment but Biden insisted on using American delivery contractors and charging Ukraine for them, to the tune of billions.

People can bash Trump all they want, it's not like I personally care but it's evident that a war with such strong statements/support from US/NATO shouldn't even be close with Russia. Literally as I was writing this post I went to search for something I recalled months ago and came across this damming piece. I think when we look back in the history books it will be the classic tale. Indecision vs wrong decision. Biden's indecision's will lead to Trump making a bad decision.

https://www.reuters.com/investigatio...il-2025-02-03/

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Then initial source of this was when I pointed out that the current administrations policy of saying out loud that NATO membership won't happen and neither will the the pre 2014 borders, would have been the same if Harris won. It's not like Biden/Harris fought for NATO and Trump is killing that dream. It was never on the table.

I am no Trump fan at all but one of the reasons why Ukraine is in a poor position conflict wise is because of poor decisions by Biden and NATO leaders. The question that still has not been answered by the west is what is the objective of this war for West/Ukraine vs Russia? If the objective is to actually push out Russia troops then what we have given them in equipment and materials is nowhere near sufficient. I still go back to Biden's statement of "Ukraine doesn't need F16's" meanwhile military experts indicate that no modern war has ever been won without strong air support/superiority. F16's arrived WAY too late to make a difference.

There have been enough articles recently where Ukrainian officials stress their frustration with the Biden admin, US policy on weapons and even delivery methods. Zelensky gave a basic example of trying to save money by using the largest freight planes in the world (Ukraine's) to bring in equipment but Biden insisted on using American delivery contractors and charging Ukraine for them, to the tune of billions.

People can bash Trump all they want, it's not like I personally care but it's evident that a war with such strong statements/support from US/NATO shouldn't even be close with Russia. Literally as I was writing this post I went to search for something I recalled months ago and came across this damming piece. I think when we look back in the history books it will be the classic tale. Indecision vs wrong decision. Biden's indecision's will lead to Trump making a bad decision.

https://www.reuters.com/investigatio...il-2025-02-03/

I mostly ignore your drivel, but please address this now:

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-v...n-free-speech/

“The threat that I worry the most about vis-à-vis Europe is not Russia. It’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. And what I worry about is the threat from within,” the vice president said.

The speech caused consternation in Munich, where the audience had been expecting some clarity on the U.S. administration’s recent confusing comments on reaching a peace deal in Ukraine, its views on Russia, and whether U.S. troops will be pulled out of Europe.

“Nuts,” was the reaction of former U.S. ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder. It’s “not the kind of language you would expect in the 21st century and certainly not from the U.S. vice president at Europe’s most important security conference,” he told POLITICO.

[Cheese]

A Lovely little slap down..

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890172003539358183


Senator Graham: US-Ukraine mineral deal key to ending war. He says Trump will defend it. If signed, Putin is "screwed."

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890485664598131074


Authorities inspect damage the to the shelter of the Chornobyl Nuclear Plant resulting from this morning’s Russian Shahed kamikaze drone strike.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890484243601473748


Ukrainian Air Force carried out a precision strike on a Russian military facility near Yelyzavetivka, Kursk region

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890478316572041363


German Defense Minister Pistorius: "Trump has stripped Ukraine of its leverage ahead of negotiations with Russia.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890476704180720004


"The losses of the enemy in the Kursk region amount to more than 48,000 people, of them - about 20,000 - killed,"

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890474822473294223


Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umero reports that Denmark has delivered most of its promised F-16 fighters to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890474763417436605


Most Russian recruits who arrive on the front lines are almost completely unaware of the nature of the war in Ukraine, say Russian warbloggers.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890493233408467013


The Americans did not like Kyiv's amendments to the minerals agreement. Therefore, the meeting between Vance and Zelensky was postponed, - journalist Zabelina. Let me remind you that Reuters sources stated that the US wanted to force Zelensky to blindly sign the minerals agreement.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1890442772324450784

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I mostly ignore your drivel, but please address this now:

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-v...n-free-speech/

You think I am on Team Trump or something? It's a moronic speech at a weird time. I am European and Europe has plenty of issues at the moment and this administration will force the EU to think differently. Europe also needs to take a bigger hand in it's own security as well because one way or another, Putin isn't done and the EU can't get away with playing games and expecting the USA for everything, that ship may be sailing out.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

You think I am on Team Trump or something? It's a moronic speech at a weird time. I am European and Europe has plenty of issues at the moment and this administration will force the EU to think differently. Europe also needs to take a bigger hand in it's own security as well because one way or another, Putin isn't done and the EU can't get away with playing games and expecting the USA for everything, that ship may be sailing out.

Where in Europe were you born?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Where in Europe were you born?

You don't need to be born somewhere specific in order to be another nationality. My parents are European immigrants and I have EU citizenship. I have cousins who have Canadian citizenship and have never stepped foot in Canada.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

You don't need to be born somewhere specific in order to be another nationality. My parents are European immigrants and I have EU citizenship. I have cousins who have Canadian citizenship and have never stepped foot in Canada.

So you weren't born in Europe?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

so you weren't born in europe?

no