Eagerly awaiting Mathgod telling us how Biden won tonight.
With the stakes of this election being what they are, this is what you come up with? That's a level of #######ry that I wouldn't have expected from you.
But nope, I can't defend what I saw tonight.
I think I may just be done with humanity and this doomed world if Biden isn't replaced soon.
A Whitmer-Harris ticket with women's rights on the ballot would blast Trump into the sun. Which is exactly why it won't happen. I'm very close to losing all hope.
It has to be very likely that Biden is removed within a week.
How? He won the primary already. Unless they want to 25th Amendment him, but then Harris becomes President and she's even more disliked than Biden is.
Unfortunately this was all pretty predictable from the outset. They had a seriously declining 81 year old (never mind where he'll be 3-4 years from now) with a VP that virtually no one likes. At a minimum they should've replaced Harris with someone more likeable and popular. Because at this point, if Biden somehow wins the election it's pretty clear his VP will take over at some point given his steady decline.
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I'd love to see someone like Gavin Newsom throw his hat into the ring, but I doubt he'd want to run.
He'd love to run. But bringing in a California elite is the worst move possible. The rust belt will hate him. Black people in the South are probably not going to be on board. When inflation is at the top of everyone's mind, bringing in the California governor is about the worst possible move.
Some may have seen this but some may have not, but I was streaming this on Youtube via the CSPAN channel. In one of the commercial breaks they had a CSPAN promo for the different political conventions coming up. In the commercial they showed the acceptance speeches for each nominee from each party. It was interesting to see the 2020 one (I think it was 2020) with Biden speaking normally, confidently and making very good points. That compared to what was shown tonight is just incredible. Those four years between then and now have really done a number on Biden.
The shock is calculated and not even in a bad way. There is a movement to get rid of him and they're in on it.
But shouldn't they have wanted to remove him months ago if they were actually seeing what the rest of the world was seeing? There were polls in 2023 where something like 70-75% of respondents said Biden was too old to run, while only 35-40% said the same of Trump. Even if their reaction is calculated, it should have happened 6-12 months ago.
How? He won the primary already. Unless they want to 25th Amendment him, but then Harris becomes President and she's even more disliked than Biden is.
Unfortunately this was all pretty predictable from the outset. They had a seriously declining 81 year old (never mind where he'll be 3-4 years from now) with a VP that virtually no one likes. At a minimum they should've replaced Harris with someone more likeable and popular. Because at this point, if Biden somehow wins the election it's pretty clear his VP will take over at some point given his steady decline.
A whole lot of deals can be brokered to sort things out. If people like Obama and his wife give him a little intervention, he'll step aside. I don't have any doubt he's only trying to do what's right and has no motivation for extending himself in a position of power.
I think Harris can be negotiated with to be set up with a cushy role.
How? He won the primary already. Unless they want to 25th Amendment him, but then Harris becomes President and she's even more disliked than Biden is.
Unfortunately this was all pretty predictable from the outset. They had a seriously declining 81 year old (never mind where he'll be 3-4 years from now) with a VP that virtually no one likes. At a minimum they should've replaced Harris with someone more likeable and popular. Because at this point, if Biden somehow wins the election it's pretty clear his VP will take over at some point given his steady decline.
I'm not up on my 25th ammendment, but wouldn't they need a majority of cabinet members agreeing to it, and would it have to be spear headed by the Vice President?
I can see what would happen if the Democrats did this, the republican's would scream coupe, and the questions would be asked at how this got to this point with a president that was not capable for how long now?
It would be a crap show, it would probably torpedo the Dems as Harris is not respected, and they wouldn't be able to make a leadership change quick enough before the election.
I think this would literally put Trump in the White House, I think he's unfortunately heading there anyways. But this would be a disaster.
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Some may have seen this but some may have not, but I was streaming this on Youtube via the CSPAN channel. In one of the commercial breaks they had a CSPAN promo for the different political conventions coming up. In the commercial they showed the acceptance speeches for each nominee from each party. It was interesting to see the 2020 one (I think it was 2020) with Biden speaking normally, confidently and making very good points. That compared to what was shown tonight is just incredible. Those four years between then and now have really done a number on Biden.
The debates too. Even back then I thought Biden seemed a bit shaky, but comparing 2020 to now, it's not even comparable:
Now project how he'd be in 2-3 years at the halfway point of his next term if the trajectory continues.
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Biden had every opportunity to walk away the hero. He beat Trump, had a pretty good four years, had eight good years alongside Obama.
Now? Reviled for being the guy who lost to Trump. Way to burn your legacy, Joe.
The thing is: Biden is the boss. He wanted to run again, and wants his full two terms. The Democratic party wasn't willing to fight him, and in all honesty, I can understand why: pretty good way to destroy your career facing off against the President and nominal head of the party while he's in office.
This is on Biden. I don't think there's any coming back from this for the Dems: if he does pivot and step aside, Trump will brag his way to victory over whoever replaces Biden about how he won so bigly at the debate.
Some may have seen this but some may have not, but I was streaming this on Youtube via the CSPAN channel. In one of the commercial breaks they had a CSPAN promo for the different political conventions coming up. In the commercial they showed the acceptance speeches for each nominee from each party. It was interesting to see the 2020 one (I think it was 2020) with Biden speaking normally, confidently and making very good points. That compared to what was shown tonight is just incredible. Those four years between then and now have really done a number on Biden.
This is the hardest job in the world period, and I've seen how fast my mom slid and my Dad slid, Its relentless work, and travel and stress. so if Joe was on the path to Alzheimers, this would probably accelerate it.
Again, tonight felt like Elder abuse to me, it felt so entirely wrong.
They need to put an age limit on the presidency.
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Democratic National Convention isn't until August, still lots of time for the Democrats to enact some sort of plan that would see a different candidate for the election selected.
Biden would have to release his delegates and who that person would be and what it all looks like is the question.
Jon Stewart, Michelle Obama, Jasmine Crockett, heck, even Taylor Swift, if any of these people care one iota about their country, they'll approach the DNC and offer to replace Joe on the top of the ticket. And most of all Joe needs to understand the situation and be willing to put what's best for the country and indeed the human species ahead of his own personal ambitions.
My faith in humanity is teetering right now, and the next number of weeks will show me whether or not it's worth holding out any hope for this horribly flawed species.
A whole lot of deals can be brokered to sort things out. If people like Obama and his wife give him a little intervention, he'll step aside. I don't have any doubt he's only trying to do what's right and has no motivation for extending himself in a position of power.
I think Harris can be negotiated with to be set up with a cushy role.
I mean sure, it's possible if they could get Biden on board. But it would make the whole party look insanely weak and out of touch and probably be a disaster. Polls have been saying that voters think Biden is too old for a second term for years now, and the party is only realizing it now? And then they're going to effectively overturn the primary results and install a candidate? Maybe it'd be better than letting Biden run, but it's basically destined to fail. It's like trying to install sprinklers as your house is on fire.
VP Harris is doing a post-debate interview with CNN and she is doing Biden and the Democrats no favours with her rantings and ravings. She is so disconnected from what just happened and this makes her even less likeable than she already is.
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But shouldn't they have wanted to remove him months ago if they were actually seeing what the rest of the world was seeing? There were polls in 2023 where something like 70-75% of respondents said Biden was too old to run, while only 35-40% said the same of Trump. Even if their reaction is calculated, it should have happened 6-12 months ago.
They could never figure out a better candidate. There wasn't anyone who they could count on to get rust belt votes, black voters and progressive voters in the states they need. Tonight made it obvious that Joe isn't that candidate any more. I still don't know who the right person is to replace him.
I'm very close to losing all hope.
