[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Red

Whose words? Mine?

Did you skip reading lessons?

Having a player on the roster that asked for a trade is not a good team dynamic. Does anyone disagree with that?
This happens all the time across the league. When it happens GMs trade these guys away.

No one is denying Bennett’s days with the Flames are numbered. There are plenty of examples of players requesting a trade and it taking months and months for a deal to go down. In this case we are talking about a bottom 6 player this isn’t Tkachuk, Gaudreau, or Markstrom who wants out here.

You are stating we need to move him immediately almost regardless of the return.

When you have multiple people questioning your opinion and your response is to insult someone’s ability to read or comprehend what you are saying maybe that is a clue to have a look in the mirror?

[Red]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

This happens all the time across the league and GMs eventually trade these guys away. Textcritic just gave you examples of several that took months to sort out.

If Bennett is a pro (which I think he is), he will play hard, not pout and will get traded, eventually.

Dont disagree with that. But on the other side of the coin, if Tre is a pro, he will trade Sam sooner than later so he can get his career back. Or be a petty idiot and ruin his reputation instead.

Again, we are not talking about a huge return here.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I feel like the GM should be on thin ice because:

- His best year was his first year, where he won 1 playoff series. Since then, 0 playoff series victories
- He's hired 3 dud head coaches
- It took him 7 years to find a starting goalie
- He's not made a worthwhile trade in 3 years
- He's wasted assets chasing incredibly poor depth players, including but not limited to Travis Hamonic, Brian Elliott, Curtis Lazar, Mike Smith, Derek Forbort and so on
- He has signed some of the worst free agent contracts that have been handed out league-wide during his time as a GM (Brouwer, Neal), and then traded Neal for an arguably worse contract in Milan Lucic
- This team is 10 games into the season and it looks like all the problems that have existed for years are already here and making their impact on the season

Setting aside what you think should happen, it seems highly unlikely to me that Treliving's actual job security has been affected in any way over the course of the past few weeks.

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[Red]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No one is denying Bennett’s days with the Flames are numbered. There are plenty of examples of players requesting a trade and it taking months and months for a deal to go down. In this case we are talking about a bottom 6 player this isn’t Tkachuk, Gaudreau, or Markstrom who wants out here.

You are stating we need to move him immediately almost regardless of the return.

When you have multiple people questioning your opinion and your response is to insult someone’s ability to read or comprehend what you are saying maybe that is a clue to have a look in the mirror?

No. I am stating that Sam Bennett doesnt care what Tre gets for him. This is how this conversation started. A dumb quote from Friedman.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Setting aside what you think should happen, it seems highly unlikely to me that Treliving's actual job security has been affected in any way over the course of the past few weeks.

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I don't disagree. This organization has a long standing history of being happy with poor results.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

This happens all the time across the league and GMs eventually trade these guys away. Textcritic just gave you examples of several that took months to sort out.

If Bennett is a pro (which I think he is), he will play hard, not pout and will get traded, eventually.

These examples are top line players. You don't give those away. Sam Bennett is an overpaid 4th liner with little value. You don't fuss about return you get there because it's nothing of note.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Red

Dont disagree with that. But on the other side of the coin, if Tre is a pro, he will trade Sam sooner than later so he can get his career back. Or be a petty idiot and ruin his reputation instead.

Again, we are not talking about a huge return here.

The biggest questions is - How can waiting INCREASE the trade value?

This is a 3/4th liner RFA player. The longer you wait, then less value he has to a team this year - Both in production and evaluation time to qualify as a RFA

It's not like Bennett is star caliber and an injury or a team performing well may be forced to up there offer.

The offers today should be the best offers available.. shouldn't they?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Red

No. I am stating that Sam Bennett doesnt care what Tre gets for him. This is how this conversation started. A dumb quote from Friedman.

Yes I would tend to agree that Bennett just wants to get in the situation where he gets the best opportunity and doesn’t care who comes the other way. Not really Bennett’s problem he just wants a fresh start but the organization doesn’t need to push him out the door and take the lowball offers 2-3 days after the request becomes public.

I think the Flames are trying to move quickly on this and doing their best to get a bidding war started. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are asking for final offers and then making a decision there.

[Burning Beard]

I just hope that Treliving is trying to trade for a big RW. As soon as he is done the trade he calls Darryl Sutter and let's Ward go. A guy can dream Hahaha.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

No. I am stating that Sam Bennett doesnt care what Tre gets for him. This is how this conversation started. A dumb quote from Friedman.

But several posters have also responded with very practical reasons why Bennett should—and I would expect does—care about his own trade value. Friedman is not wrong, here: it is within Bennett's best interest to play his best hockey right now, because the GM is most likely not moving him until he gets an offer he can live with. It's easier to do that with a player who is conducting himself as a professional.

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[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I feel like the GM should be on thin ice because:

- His best year was his first year
- He's hired 3 dud head coaches
- It took him 7 years to find a starting goalie
- He's not made a worthwhile trade in 3 years
- He's wasted assets chasing incredibly poor depth players, including but not limited to Travis Hamonic, Brian Elliott, Curtis Lazar, Mike Smith, Derek Forbort and so on
- He has signed some of the worst free agent contracts that have been handed out league-wide during his time as a GM (Brouwer, Neal), and then traded Neal for an arguably worse contract in Milan Lucic
- This team is 10 games into the season and it looks like all the problems that have existed for years are already here and making their impact on the season

He also fired a Jack Adams winning coach that had the team perform beyond expectations and win a round while playing an exciting style to watch. He replaced that guy with Gulutzan. I mean, wow, that's just a horrible, horrible move looking back on it.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The biggest questions is - How can waiting INCREASE the trade value?

This is a 3/4th liner RFA player. The longer you wait, then less value he has to a team this year - Both in production and evaluation time to qualify as a RFA

It's not like Bennett is star caliber and an injury or a team performing well may be forced to up there offer.

The offers today should be the best offers available.. shouldn't they?

Exactly. We have a 4th line player on the trade block. Make the trade and move on. It's best for everyone involved.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You think rhe GM is on thin ice because of a disappointing road trip?

Gotta love the memory of a goldfish takes. Pretty sure people are saying Tre is on thin ice due to the totality of his tenure.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Red

No. I am stating that Sam Bennett doesnt care what Tre gets for him. This is how this conversation started. A dumb quote from Friedman.

I’m not too sure about that, I think a player might feel a little insulted if he was traded for a 7th rd pick or “future considerations” vs a quality player or a high pick. Just my opinion.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by zamler

Gotta love the memory of a goldfish takes. Pretty sure people are saying Tre is on thin ice due to the totality of his tenure.

No, I get that.

I just don't see how the current situation has any impact on his current job security. There are a few posters talking as though Treliving's handling of Bennett will decide his future, and I just don't think this particular situation affects it very much. But if the team struggles like this all season? Then I could definitely see whesale changes being made.

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[Red]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But several posters have also responded with very practical reasons why Bennett should—and I would expect does—care about his own trade value. Friedman is not wrong, here: it is within Bennett's best interest to play his best hockey right now, because the GM is most likely not moving him until he gets an offer he can live with. It's easier to do that with a player who is conducting himself as a professional.

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These are not reasons at all. Sam wants to play on another team. If Tre gets a 2nd, good, a 3rd? Sure. What does he care? He just wants out.

And again, a couple games of showcasing a player that has been in the NHL for years does what exactly? Every GM knows his game already.

This is nothing more than prolonging the pain. The team needs to move on as does Sam. Dont forget that there is a 3rd person of interest here. The guy that will take Sam's spot. Maybe its Buddy, or Simon or whoever. They are waiting on Tre to make the move so they can get the opportunities. If Tre delays for nothing, it will make them grumpy.

There is no upside in keeping Sam to magically increase his value. That will simply not happen if has a good game or two. The value is already set.

[Strange Brew]

This morning on 960 Friedman used the word "daunting" to describe the prospect of trading Bennett to a US team, as it would require playing without Bennett for two weeks before his replacement could play.

I couldn't believe he was being serious.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by zamler

Gotta love the memory of a goldfish takes. Pretty sure people are saying Tre is on thin ice due to the totality of his tenure.

People stating opinion as fact leads to takes like this.

Haven’t heard anything about Treliving being on thin ice. A rough start to the season doesn’t push him to the brink of being fired considering a few short months ago he was green lit to sign $54M in long term deals to veteran players. Doubt a guy who is on thin ice is getting the ability to sign large deals that will be part of the team for the next 4-6 years

[Red]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, I get that.

I just don't see how the current situation has any impact on his current job security. There are a few posters talking as though Treliving's handling of Bennett will decide his future, and I just don't think this particular situation affects it very much. But if the team struggles like this all season? Then I could definitely see whesale changes being made.

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You got this completely wrong. Treliving trading Sam for a 5th rounder will tick off a few here, but it will mostly likely not affect his job here.

Holding on to Sam because you think he is worth more while causing drama in the room can spell a disaster. Unless he gets a great deal out of it, highly unlikely. It's terrible team management.

Now if the team actually had some success, sure, ignore that. But the team is and has been a huge disappointment for almost his entire tenure.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

These are not reasons at all. Sam wants to play on another team. If Tre gets a 2nd, good, a 3rd? Sure. What does he care? He just wants out.



And again, a couple games of showcasing a player that has been in the NHL for years does what exactly? Every GM knows his game already.



This is nothing more than prolonging the pain. The team needs to move on as does Sam. Dont forget that there is a 3rd person of interest here. The guy that will take Sam's spot. Maybe its Buddy, or Simon or whoever. They are waiting on Tre to make the move so they can get the opportunities. If Tre delays for nothing, it will make them grumpy.



There is no upside in keeping Sam to magically increase his value. That will simply not happen if has a good game or two. The value is already set.

Yeah, I can agree with most of this. But I very much doubt that any delay is for nothing, or that there is any attempt to artificially increase Bennett's value. Reports have indicated that there are multiple teams interested in Sam Bennett. Is it not just as simple as taking time to settle on the best offer? Sometimes that takes time.

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