2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Sec214

They’re not touching Wranglers right now. They in it to win it. Love is a shoe in for a interview. The organization will make it mandatory.

On the GM front Reagan Carey-USWNT is the most interesting name I’ve herd so far that I don’t think is on many peoples radar. Joining Conroy of course.

Been denied to interview one candidate from a team outside the playoffs till after 2023 Draft.(No name confirmed but my gut think it’s … Shane Doan)

Mark Hunter in the mix? When the Leafs went with Dubas, Hunter went by the wayside but supposedly he was another next gen GM. Just curious.

[NewFan]

I would trade most of current players for blue chip prospects and draft picks. But are there any teams want our players? Who is potential partners?
Huberdeau - Montreal, New Jersey?
Markstrom - LA, LV, Ottawa or Boston?
Kadri - Ottawa. Boston, New Jersey, Vancouver?
I believe Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli will have lots of teams which want them.

[Bonded]

Don't think anyone wants Kadri, Markstrom, or Huberdeau unless they have bounce back seasons next year

[Toonage]

I do. Kadri was a playoff hero the year before and any other team can see the tire fire the Flames were this season - especially evidenced by this off season - and know that this was probably an outlier.

Contracts can always be moved.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I would trade most of current players for blue chip prospects and draft picks. But are there any teams want our players? Who is potential partners?
Huberdeau - Montreal, New Jersey?
Markstrom - LA, LV, Ottawa or Boston?
Kadri - Ottawa. Boston, New Jersey, Vancouver?
I believe Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli will have lots of teams which want them.

I don't believe Huberdeau, Markstrom and Kadri are movable at all for cap reasons.

They all had exceptionally bad seasons in comparison to their cap hits.

Cap is king these days. We'd need to give up mega assets to move any of them today. Better to wait and see if they can rebound.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Don't think anyone wants Kadri, Markstrom, or Huberdeau unless they have bounce back seasons next year

I don't buy this at all. Players don't turn into pumpkins overnight. I think teams would be looking at those players and see guys that are highly likely for a bounce back season (maybe not Markstrom) and want to hope the Flames would be dumb enough to sell low.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't buy this at all. Players don't turn into pumpkins overnight. I think teams would be looking at those players and see guys that are highly likely for a bounce back season (maybe not Markstrom) and want to hope the Flames would be dumb enough to sell low.

If they are going to have bounce back seasons, why should Calgary trade them now? Better to wait for the bounce back season, and then move them.

The fact is, no team is going to bet $84MM on Huberdeau bouncing back to the degree where he is worth that contract. That's a ton of cap that needs to be managed going forward, not many teams could even afford it if they wanted to.

And Kadri really didn't fall off that badly, he was likely never worth that contract in the first place.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If they are going to have bounce back seasons, why should Calgary trade them now? Better to wait for the bounce back season, and then move them.

The fact is, no team is going to bet $84MM on Huberdeau bouncing back to the degree where he is worth that contract. That's a ton of cap that needs to be managed going forward, not many teams could even afford it if they wanted to.

And Kadri really didn't fall off that badly, he was likely never worth that contract in the first place.

There are 51 forwards that made between 6-8 million last season. Kadri ranks 24th for goals and 26th for points, and at 7 million per, he's pretty much exactly where you'd expect him to be.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I don't buy this at all. Players don't turn into pumpkins overnight. I think teams would be looking at those players and see guys that are highly likely for a bounce back season (maybe not Markstrom) and want to hope the Flames would be dumb enough to sell low.

Totally agree.

I’m not sure why some fans think that GM’s operate exclusively on the most recent season like it’s the be all end all.

GM’s take into account a lot of things. Coaching, environment, injuries, age, cap, analytics, etc.

Kopitar put up 52 points when he was 28 years old and bounced back to 92 points in his 29 year old season.

Toews went from 52 points to 81.

Pavelski went from 31 to 51 to 81 in his 35-37 year old seasons.

Players have up and down seasons all of the time. Judging them on their most recent season isn’t how you evaluate their value.

[Mr.Coffee]

Only guy I think the Flames need to deal with is Lindholm and maximize value there. He wants out, let him go free. Like opening a cage for a bird, only with a good return.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I think you explore trading Lindholm, Backlund, Toffoli, Markstrom, and Vladar, each for different reasons. I would also take a run at getting extensions done on Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov before the season starts and if you believe you can't get something done you add those players to the list. If the right deals come along for Mangipane and Dube I would be listening. But there has to be change and there are all sorts of guys that could/should be in play.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

Totally agree.

I’m not sure why some fans think that GM’s operate exclusively on the most recent season like it’s the be all end all.

GM’s take into account a lot of things. Coaching, environment, injuries, age, cap, analytics, etc.

Kopitar put up 52 points when he was 28 years old and bounced back to 92 points in his 29 year old season.

Toews went from 52 points to 81.

Pavelski went from 31 to 51 to 81 in his 35-37 year old seasons.

Players have up and down seasons all of the time. Judging them on their most recent season isn’t how you evaluate their value.

Their are always outliers, but don't make the mistake that outliers prove the premise. You mention 3 exceptions. They are hundreds that prove the premise.

How would you like to be the team that traded for Toews after that 81 point season?

I agree that GM's look at a players entire career when making assessments.

But Huberdreau even at 80 points isn't worth a $10.5MM contract for the next 8 years when you factor in that 80 points will sure to decrease over the life of the contract. And that 80 points is likely a stretch even to the optimistic poster.

The chance of Huberdeau giving $84MM worth of value over the next 8 years is likely close to zero. We know it, and other GM's know it to. No one is lining up to take that on today. Could he have a bounce back year or two? of course. But his level of production is not heading in the right direction after his big season.

[Teroy]

And we're ready to bet that Huberdeau & Markstrom will have a bounce back year? Maybe Kadri will have an epiphany and become unlazy. Patience my butt, it's time to make major changes. Do whatever it takes to move them. Admit the Flames made a mistake.

[TheScorpion]

Trying to imagine what Dallas would've done had they thrown their hands up in the air and given up on Joe Pavelski at whatever cost after he scored 30 points in his first season with the team

[traptor]

Like it or not from Maloneys presser its clear that the mandate will be to keep competitive for a playoff spot

Whatever GM is brought in will operate that mandate.
Add in Serevalli stating that any players wanting out have rescinded those requests.

With all this in mind, I dont see the flames moving any of the big 2024 UFAs for prospects/picks.

The new GM won't move a Hanifin, lindholm or Toffoli as he'll be more concerned about making a playoff bang in his first season.

At this point I see them moving one, maybe two guys this offseason but it will be in that 2nd or 3rd tier of value (tanev, zadorov or vladar) as they need to clear some cap.

At the end if next season if we get into playoffs we'll either sign the guys like toffoli, lindy and hanifin or let them walk.

If we miss playoffs again, I think we can expect a big roster blowup.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by traptor

At the end if next season if we get into playoffs we'll either sign the guys like toffoli, lindy and hanifin or let them walk.

If we miss playoffs again, I think we can expect a big roster blowup.

You simply can't let that happen.

Even guys close to the team like Steinberg are saying that can't happen.

If the Flames do end up blowing it up next season because the the contract situation, you better be getting ahead of it now so you can liquidate those UFAs to make the rebuild/retool/whatever the owner wants to call it less painless.

We complain about not trading Iginla sooner. We can't lose assets for nothing.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trying to imagine what Dallas would've done had they thrown their hands up in the air and given up on Joe Pavelski at whatever cost after he scored 30 points in his first season with the team

Now we just need hints, robertson and heiskenen.

Hopefully we got an orttenger in wolf.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Only guy I think the Flames need to deal with is Lindholm and maximize value there. He wants out, let him go free. Like opening a cage for a bird, only with a good return.

I think Tanev is a guy you look to move, and I love his work.

I agree - I think to keep Lindholm you overpay and he's just not that player for Calgary.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1653812558934028308

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You simply can't let that happen.

Even guys close to the team like Steinberg are saying that can't happen.

If the Flames do end up blowing it up next season because the the contract situation, you better be getting ahead of it now so you can liquidate those UFAs to make the rebuild/retool/whatever the owner wants to call it less painless.

We complain about not trading Iginla sooner. We can't lose assets for nothing.

I dont disagree. Given the mandate though I dint see that happening this offseason

That means they'll play it out. No way they re-sign all those guys anyway.

I see them re-signing a significant chunk of them (75%) and letting a few walk (like tanve and toffoli or backs). Which I dont necessarily love either but it's what I see happening.