2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Great minds think alike?🤷#♂️

If we are serious about building a cup contender, we shouldn’t trade for Rossi.

Kadri and Backlund are on back 9 of their careers. If we trade for Rossi, we will have him and frost ad our centers, both sub 6’.

Teams that are left in the final 8 have C that are 6’ plus. We would get destroyed at C with Rossi and Frost.

I like Rossi as a player, I just don’t think you can win a cup with him as one of our top forwards. We see how physical the playoffs get. As painful as the process can be, have to keep looking for that big top C in the draft and would rather we keep first round picks looking for that player instead of trading for small skilled players who get you to the playoffs, but not through the playoffs.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If true I think Calgary would be wise to offer something along the lines of 18th OA and Honzek. Or Florida’s 1st and a little more from our end.

If it takes our 18 and Honzek to get Rossi start the car. I’m not sure Honzek will ever even be an NHL player.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we are serious about building a cup contender, we shouldn’t trade for Rossi.

Kadri and Backlund are on back 9 of their careers. If we trade for Rossi, we will have him and frost ad our centers, both sub 6’.

Teams that are left in the final 8 have C that are 6’ plus. We would get destroyed at C with Rossi and Frost.

I like Rossi as a player, I just don’t think you can win a cup with him as one of our top forwards. We see how physical the playoffs get. As painful as the process can be, have to keep looking for that big top C in the draft and would rather we keep first round picks looking for that player instead of trading for small skilled players who get you to the playoffs, but not through the playoffs.

I tend to agree but I’m not so sure it is an absolute on the issue of size. Brayden Point has played a pivotal role on cup winning teams as one example. Granted, there is a disparity there on skill level.

My take is, the Flames can maybe do well with Frost or Rossi, but I’m doubtful they can with both. I don’t like the strategy of addressing their C depth by acquiring other teams redundancies. I don’t think that is a formula for success and, if anything, actually moves them further away from truly addressing the organizational need of a C who can carry the mail.

If the Flames are going to do something this year, I wonder if there is a way to move up in the draft to grab McQueen. He may fall and if he does fall outside the top 10, could, say, the Rangers be enticed to make a deal? I think Andersson could be a fit there but the Flames would likely have to add and I’m not too sure what that would be. Definitely think, though, that the Rangers pick will be in play.

[CliffFletcher]

Neither Frost or Rossi is a shut-down guy. So with a C roster of Kadri-Rossi-Frost, who’s the matchup guy? Can’t be a 4th line guy who plays 10 mins a game.

There’s nothing wrong with Rossi. But if the Flames bring him in, we’re just cementing a forward corps of 7-8 smallish 40-60 pt guys. I struggle to think of a team where that’s been a model for success.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If it takes our 18 and Honzek to get Rossi start the car. I’m not sure Honzek will ever even be an NHL player.

Not to nitpick but he made the NHL team out of camp this year so maybe you're being a little harsh?

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If it takes our 18 and Honzek to get Rossi start the car. I’m not sure Honzek will ever even be an NHL player.

Man I’m glad you’re just a sofa gm and not the Flames gm. The impatients of some posters is mind boggling. Honzek is still very young and is getting more experience and is just starting to grow into his body. I’m betting he takes another step forward this coming season. Backlund used to get the same treatment around here and now look at him.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames were carried by Wolf earlier in the year, in the last half when the roster was slotted better they were legit a good team. The numbers back this up.

Not sure they do ...

Mo	Games	xGF%	HDCF%
10	10	52.2%	50.3%
11	15	51.5%	50.0%
12	12	46.4%	48.8%
01	13	50.3%	46.6%
02	8	51.3%	46.0%
03	15	51.8%	48.4%
04	9	45.9%	52.1%

Nice uptick in less games in the final month for high danger splits but a skid in xGF%.

If anything they were better in October and November and then slid until April.

On the season the Flames were top five in 5 on 5 save percentage (strong goaltending all year), and 31st in shooting percentage five on five.

The goalie is coming back, but so too are the shooters that can't finish.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I tend to agree but I’m not so sure it is an absolute on the issue of size. Brayden Point has played a pivotal role on cup winning teams as one example. Granted, there is a disparity there on skill level.

My take is, the Flames can maybe do well with Frost or Rossi, but I’m doubtful they can with both. I don’t like the strategy of addressing their C depth by acquiring other teams redundancies. I don’t think that is a formula for success and, if anything, actually moves them further away from truly addressing the organizational need of a C who can carry the mail.

If the Flames are going to do something this year, I wonder if there is a way to move up in the draft to grab McQueen. He may fall and if he does fall outside the top 10, could, say, the Rangers be enticed to make a deal? I think Andersson could be a fit there but the Flames would likely have to add and I’m not too sure what that would be. Definitely think, though, that the Rangers pick will be in play.

McQueen probably tops out at a Michael Rasmussen type player. I personally would pass on any of these giants, they almost never produce at the NHL level.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we are serious about building a cup contender, we shouldn’t trade for Rossi.

Kadri and Backlund are on back 9 of their careers. If we trade for Rossi, we will have him and frost ad our centers, both sub 6’.

Teams that are left in the final 8 have C that are 6’ plus. We would get destroyed at C with Rossi and Frost.

I like Rossi as a player, I just don’t think you can win a cup with him as one of our top forwards. We see how physical the playoffs get. As painful as the process can be, have to keep looking for that big top C in the draft and would rather we keep first round picks looking for that player instead of trading for small skilled players who get you to the playoffs, but not through the playoffs.

I agree. He also played with Kaprizov, one of the NHL’s best players.

He won’t be producing at his previous level with Calgary.

Now if Calgary wants to be a bubble team, go get him.

And I think that is their goal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

McQueen probably tops out at a Michael Rasmussen type player. I personally would pass on any of these giants, they almost never produce at the NHL level.

If healthy, his ceiling is exceptionally high.

But he also has a very low floor.

[YyjFlames]

Interesting read on Marco Rossi about his season and after game 1 of the Wild Vegas series. Most of his goals this year were scored in the high danger areas in front of the net…. He was in the 92nd percentile of high danger net front shots and 94th percentile in goals. He’s not a small perimeter player, but a compact, strong guy who has the guts to go to and skill to finish in front of the net. (Something the flames could use)

The “too small” and “can’t compete in the playoffs” stuff that Guerin seems to be leaning towards seems self fulfilling from Hyne’s coaching decisions too. He was demoted on game one of the playoffs to the third line in favour of Gaudrea and his ice time dropped from 17 minutes a night to under 12 (even in the two games where he was scoring, he wasn’t rewarded).

Certainly are risks with him, so I definitely wouldn’t give up the farm, but it feels like if Guérin is getting rid of him and Calgary can get him for cheap, it’s a good bet to take as he’s not a typical small centre.

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[Sandman]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we are serious about building a cup contender, we shouldn’t trade for Rossi.

Kadri and Backlund are on back 9 of their careers. If we trade for Rossi, we will have him and frost ad our centers, both sub 6’.

Teams that are left in the final 8 have C that are 6’ plus. We would get destroyed at C with Rossi and Frost.

I like Rossi as a player, I just don’t think you can win a cup with him as one of our top forwards. We see how physical the playoffs get. As painful as the process can be, have to keep looking for that big top C in the draft and would rather we keep first round picks looking for that player instead of trading for small skilled players who get you to the playoffs, but not through the playoffs.

Originally Posted by TOfan

I tend to agree but I’m not so sure it is an absolute on the issue of size. Brayden Point has played a pivotal role on cup winning teams as one example. Granted, there is a disparity there on skill level.

My take is, the Flames can maybe do well with Frost or Rossi, but I’m doubtful they can with both. I don’t like the strategy of addressing their C depth by acquiring other teams redundancies. I don’t think that is a formula for success and, if anything, actually moves them further away from truly addressing the organizational need of a C who can carry the mail.

If the Flames are going to do something this year, I wonder if there is a way to move up in the draft to grab McQueen. He may fall and if he does fall outside the top 10, could, say, the Rangers be enticed to make a deal? I think Andersson could be a fit there but the Flames would likely have to add and I’m not too sure what that would be. Definitely think, though, that the Rangers pick will be in play.

Agree 100% on both posts. If you have a smaller guy on your team, better have some beef in the lineup to compensate. Those small guys have to either be hard-nosed like Point, or highly evasive like Kaprizov- they have to have ways of making room for themselves. The more small guys you have, the less chance you have of playoff success. Rossi is built like a fire-hydrant, but he can still be pushed around.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Rossi was 6’ he would be untouchable around the league. He would absolutely be the guy I’d go for if available. Easily a great center that could battle Kadri for the top spot.

So, you want us to build around a 5’9” centre?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure they do ...

Mo	Games	xGF%	HDCF%
10	10	52.2%	50.3%
11	15	51.5%	50.0%
12	12	46.4%	48.8%
01	13	50.3%	46.6%
02	8	51.3%	46.0%
03	15	51.8%	48.4%
04	9	45.9%	52.1%

Nice uptick in less games in the final month for high danger splits but a skid in xGF%.

If anything they were better in October and November and then slid until April.

On the season the Flames were top five in 5 on 5 save percentage (strong goaltending all year), and 31st in shooting percentage five on five.

The goalie is coming back, but so too are the shooters that can't finish.

I still think the team is a goaltending slump away from a top ten pick next year. Even if the offense does better they are are bottom ten instead of bottom three.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Neither Frost or Rossi is a shut-down guy. So with a C roster of Kadri-Rossi-Frost, who’s the matchup guy? Can’t be a 4th line guy who plays 10 mins a game.

There’s nothing wrong with Rossi. But if the Flames bring him in, we’re just cementing a forward corps of 7-8 smallish 40-60 pt guys. I struggle to think of a team where that’s been a model for success.

Not sure if I would call him a shut-down guy, but Frost’s defensive metrics when we traded for him were shockingly good.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Agree 100% on both posts. If you have a smaller guy on your team, better have some beef in the lineup to compensate. Those small guys have to either be hard-nosed like Point, or highly evasive like Kaprizov- they have to have ways of making room for themselves. The more small guys you have, the less chance you have of playoff success. Rossi is built like a fire-hydrant, but he can still be pushed around.

I think the issue is you need some size on Rossi’s line but you also need a new Backlund who can go toe to toe with the top lines of other teams. I don’t think Rossi will be able to handle other top lines defensively. I have a small hope that is Zary but that’s a long shot.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I still think the team is a goaltending slump away from a top ten pick next year. Even if the offense does better they are are bottom ten instead of bottom three.

And if they trade Andersson.

I think Parekh is going to help the powerplay but he won't be Andersson (in play or minutes) in his rookie season.

They may trade Andersson, and sign a 5/6 guy to alleviate the pressure though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And if they trade Andersson.

I think Parekh is going to help the powerplay but he won't be Andersson (in play or minutes) in his rookie season.

They may trade Andersson, and sign a 5/6 guy to alleviate the pressure though.

For sure. If people think Andersson got run in then they’ll be in for a rough surprise if he gets traded. Although if Parekh does step in and play like Andersson he’ll be a sure fire #1D

[Calgary4LIfe]

I certainly think a bottom 5 finish can happen. I also think playoffs can happen. This team's win/loss record was razor thing with all the 1 goal games. My guess will be based on what Conroy does this off-season - will he add to the roster, or will he subtract?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Every year we hear about top picks moving and it never happens...other than like 5 and something for 3

highly doubt this year is any different

Yep, ths top 3 teams will always say they're open to it just to see if any gm goes crazy and offers the moon. But mostly they'll keep the picks, and if a team does trade for it it's not gonna be the flames without a top 10 pick to start the package, lol.