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dino7c · 12-27-2023, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

I actually think I'd rather lose Lindholm for nothing than sign him to a deal worth $9m AAV

you think! its not even a question

browna · 12-27-2023, 06:48 PM

When Lindholm has better players then him on his line, he's getting close to $9m. Hes an excellent complimentry player that has high level skill, but that has to be unlocked with the skill and confidence of a even better players as witnesses with JG and then MT as well.

But when he has to run the show on his line, while a very smart, skilled player, he falls short and it's $7M. He's in theory what I'd think JH needs but that hasn't worked out.

dissentowner · 12-27-2023, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

When Lindholm has better players then him on his line, he's getting close to $9m. Hes an excellent complimentry player that has high level skill, but that has to be unlocked with the skill and confidence of a even better players as witnesses with JG and then MT as well.

But when he has to run the show on his line, while a very smart, skilled player, he falls short and it's $7M. He's in theory what I'd think JH needs but that hasn't worked out.

Him and Huberdeau could create magic together but they needed an extended time together to make it gel.

Yanda · 12-27-2023, 07:00 PM

With the cap going up someone is going to give him a Troy Brouwer deal over 9mil

Paulie Walnuts · 12-27-2023, 07:06 PM

We are lucky Lindholm is greedy and unreasonable. Even a 7 a year deal would suck he's invisible for a good portion of games.

Roof-Daddy · 12-27-2023, 07:15 PM

I wonder how many decades will pass before us Flames get to enjoy having an elite #1C on our roster again?

Who was the last one? Savard? He wasn't elite defensively, but offensively. Nieuwendyk maybe?

Lots of good centers, but nothing at that elite two way level to build around.

Jiri Hrdina · 12-27-2023, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

So you would pay a 56 point player that’s -2 about $8mm per season?

He’s more than $1mm high.

It’s not about what I would pay
Centre is a premium position though. Teams will pay a high price

Aarongavey · 12-27-2023, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

So you would pay a 56 point player that’s -2 about $8mm per season?

He’s more than $1mm high.

He is probably a 7 million dollar player. 64 points last year, unlikely to hit that this year and is moving in the wrong direction.

Strange Brew · 12-27-2023, 08:00 PM

Yeah I really doubt he is getting $9 million. He’s a two way center but not a shutdown center where the offense is just a plus. He’s also at the age where taking less term may not work out for him either.

dieHARDflameZ · 12-27-2023, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It’s not about what I would pay
Centre is a premium position though. Teams will pay a high price

Right hand shot centre, good at face offs, strong defensively and puts up 60 points per season. Yup, someone will pay a lot for that.

Geeoff · 12-27-2023, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder how many decades will pass before us Flames get to enjoy having an elite #1C on our roster again?

Who was the last one? Savard? He wasn't elite defensively, but offensively. Nieuwendyk maybe?

Lots of good centers, but nothing at that elite two way level to build around.

Zary looks promising at least.

SuperMatt18 · 12-27-2023, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder how many decades will pass before us Flames get to enjoy having an elite #1C on our roster again?

Who was the last one? Savard? He wasn't elite defensively, but offensively. Nieuwendyk maybe?

Lots of good centers, but nothing at that elite two way level to build around.

I'd argue the Flames have never had an elite Center...even Nieuwendyk was amazing but never really one of the top 5 centers of the league.

For sure have never had a generational talent center like a Crosby, Gretzky, Lemieux, etc

And I don't think they've ever had a Center of the next tier either...like an Yzerman, Sakic, Messier, Thornton, Malkin.

I'd say guys like Gilmour and Nieuwendyk probably fall into a tier below that.

They've never had a Center nominated for the Hart trophy, or that finished close to winning the Art Ross, so yeah don't think a truly elite Center has ever really played for the Flames.

GioforPM · 12-27-2023, 09:33 PM

wrong thread

GioforPM · 12-27-2023, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Geeoff

Zary looks promising at least.

Zary hasn’t played centre at all in the NHL.

GioforPM · 12-27-2023, 09:38 PM

Wrong thread

The Cobra · 12-27-2023, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I'd argue the Flames have never had an elite Center...even Nieuwendyk was amazing but never really one of the top 5 centers of the league.

For sure have never had a generational talent center like a Crosby, Gretzky, Lemieux, etc

And I don't think they've ever had a Center of the next tier either...like an Yzerman, Sakic, Messier, Thornton, Malkin.

I'd say guys like Gilmour and Nieuwendyk probably fall into a tier below that.

They've never had a Center nominated for the Hart trophy, or that finished close to winning the Art Ross, so yeah don't think a truly elite Center has ever really played for the Flames.

Nieuwendyck was a HOF centre and was certainly elite.

Ditto for Doug Gilmour.

Eric Vail · 12-27-2023, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder how many decades will pass before us Flames get to enjoy having an elite #1C on our roster again?

Who was the last one? Savard? He wasn't elite defensively, but offensively. Nieuwendyk maybe?

Lots of good centers, but nothing at that elite two way level to build around.

Gilmour was the best centre the Flames have had. He was elite at both ends of the ice. In 1989. he was up against all the top lines of the league and dominated. His linemates flourished as well.

Nilsson scored 131 points in 1980-81 and was one of the top 5 centres. He didn't last though.

Flamesfan05 · 12-27-2023, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Nieuwendyck was a HOF centre and was certainly elite.

Ditto for Doug Gilmour.

Nieuwendyk was great but most of the time, he wasn’t even the #1 center on his own team.

SuperMatt18 · 12-27-2023, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Nieuwendyck was a HOF centre and was certainly elite.

Ditto for Doug Gilmour.

Think it depends on the definition of elite.

Both those guys had great careers but Nieuwendyk never broke 100 points in a season in his career, Gilmour is probably the closest but I'd argue his elite seasons actually came as a Leaf.

If I were to rank the tiers as Good, Great, All-Star, Elite, and Generational then I think both would fall into the "All-Star" category in their time as Flames.

Neither were anywhere close to Hart trophy discussion, or Art Ross discussion in their time as Flames. Neither were top-5 in All-NHL end of season all-star team voting in their time as a Flames player. Niewendyk made the all-star team 4 times as a Flame, Gilmour never made an all-star team as a Flame.

Great careers but IMO never elite, top 5 (maybe even top 10) centers in their time as Flames.

(Just to clarify how I'd define elite here is who I'd say are elite NHL centers right now: McDavid, Mackinnon, Matthews, Crosby, Hughes, Pettersson, maybe Eichel/Draisatil)

combustiblefuel · 12-28-2023, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We are lucky Lindholm is greedy and unreasonable. Even a 7 a year deal would suck he's invisible for a good portion of games.

His offense may have dried up but he is always making solid defensive plays.

I don't think he was ever projected to be an offensive weapon. He just got lucky and was paired with Johnny,Monny and Tkachuk. I believe his game was always to be defensively sound tho.