2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, until Bedard proved otherwise. That’s how it works. You aren’t better than any of the guys in a higher level until you play at that level and prove it.

How much better was Nail Yakupov than everyone?

There are people who said, without question, that Wolf was the best goaltender we have. He might be one day, but he isn’t yet. Zary didn’t look better than most NHL players last year while he was in the AHL, and now in the NHL he’s probably our best player.

It feels like kind of a no-brainer to state that to know how good a player will be in the NHL, they need to play in the NHL. Common sense stuff.

Nope not until he proved better we knew it before he played a second of NHL time.

Yakupov had big questions before he came into the league. Those existed throughout his career.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Phillips put up, what 76P in the AHL? That translated to 3P in 24 games against non-Flames opponents. Coronato also looks too good for the AHL, but he still looks very raw when he comes up. Stankoven is having similar production in the AHL to Mangiapane, and Dube when they were called up.

I haven't watched Stankoven nearly enough to know how his game would translate into the NHL level. Right now everything points to top a 6 potential, but I don't know if he'll be better than guys like Pelletier, or Coronato.

If Stankoven was as tiny as Phillips maybe. He also outperformed Phillips at similar ages and was dominant in the WJHC which Phillips wasn’t even close to making. So a few reasons to expect Stankoven to succeed where Phillios couldn’t.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Nope not until he proved better we knew it before he played a second of NHL time.

Yakupov had big questions before he came into the league. Those existed throughout his career.

Sure, that’s why he went first overall, because everybody questioned if he could even play in the NHL at all.

Great stuff. Let’s just make up whatever we want then.

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why?



My argument isn't that he is producing at a better rate that those guys in the NHL.



Bedard had zero points last season are you going to say that because Dennis Gilbert had more NHL points he was a better player?

Stankoven's NHLe equivalent would be 22.4 points over 34 games played. So not better than all the wingers but he'd be in the mix.

[Roof-Daddy]

Stromgren for Stankoven


Who says no? lol

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Stromgren for Stankoven


Who says no? lol

“But it would have to happen now…”

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sure, that’s why he went first overall, because everybody questioned if he could even play in the NHL at all.

Great stuff. Let’s just make up whatever we want then.

He went first overall because it was a weak draft year and all the top guys had questions.

He failed at the NHL because all the concerns teams had about him proved to be true. The only one making up whatever they like is you pretending he didn’t have massive concerns coming into the league.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Stankoven's NHLe equivalent would be 22.4 points over 34 games played. So not better than all the wingers but he'd be in the mix.

Assuming NHLe is worth a damn.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Assuming NHLe is worth a damn.

It's probably only worth a damn if it happens to support whatever negative argument you are currently running with

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's probably only worth a damn if it happens to support whatever negative argument you are currently running with

Nope

In this case it could be used to support my argument if I wanted to but since I haven’t seen any reason to think it is useful I will maintain my original stance that the point is only relevant if NHLe is worth a damn.

And for the record my point isn’t negative or positive, just factual.

[Ped]

2012 was such a terrible draft year. Yakupov, Murray had injury issues, Galchenyuk had injury issues, and a whole lot of first round busts (Pouliot, Reinhart, Grigorenko, etc)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ped

2012 was such a terrible draft year. Yakupov, Murray had injury issues, Galchenyuk had injury issues, and a whole lot of first round busts (Pouliot, Reinhart, Grigorenko, etc)

There were some good players at, say pick number 14. You could have picked Hertl, Wilson, Teravainen, Vasilevsky around then. Unless, of course, you traded down because you knew you could get Mark Jankowski at 21.

[Ped]

Sure, but why not pick up an asset or two AND pick up the player who was going to be the best in the draft?

[Ped]

15 guys in the second round of 2012 never played an NHL game. In 2011, that number is 3. In 2013, its 7.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s pretty stupid, considering we know trade value isn’t determined based on “known quantities” alone, which is why you see players traded for draft picks all the time, for example.

You laid the groundwork for his post, don’t complain about it now.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Necas and Mercer are not getting traded.

Once again, are you the GM of the Canes or the Devils? You can't be both so you can't be right.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

He went first overall because it was a weak draft year and all the top guys had questions.

He failed at the NHL because all the concerns teams had about him proved to be true. The only one making up whatever they like is you pretending he didn’t have massive concerns coming into the league.

My Lord you are so full of ####. I suppose teams had the same concerns about Alexander Daigle right? What else can you make up. Then you have the audacity to call others liars. What a clown.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

And for the record my point isn’t negative or positive, just factual.

Lies.

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Nope



In this case it could be used to support my argument if I wanted to but since I haven’t seen any reason to think it is useful I will maintain my original stance that the point is only relevant if NHLe is worth a damn.



And for the record my point isn’t negative or positive, just factual.

Nah bro, using stats to support an argument like NHLe to compare players in 2 different leagues is about as factual as you can get.

What you have is an opinion. It's a bold opinion, but it's yours. People are going to debate it especially when there's nothing quantitative behind it.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You laid the groundwork for his post, don’t complain about it now.

OK “Coronado and Pelltier” guy.