2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[GioforPM]

There really should just be a scale of tradable from "have to trade at any cost" to "it would take a miracle". But no untouchables. Not even Wolf, I suppose but it would take a miracle offer.

[Major Major]

I'm guessing backup goalie signing rights hold zero value, so I think the Flames should outbid other teams for Vladar and then see if they can trade him in the next couple years.

Andersson... I'm very curious what he is worth to SJ. I would love a future first protected or not.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If a GM offers something dumb for them then sure you move them but there isn’t any point in just moving them out for picks

Soooo - not even close to unmovable then

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I'm guessing backup goalie signing rights hold zero value, so I think the Flames should outbid other teams for Vladar and then see if they can trade him in the next couple years.

Andersson... I'm very curious what he is worth to SJ. I would love a future first protected or not.

If they outbid other teams who is going to trade for a backup making starter (or above backup) money? Then you have to look at eating salary or giving him too many years etc.

If San Jose wants him in free agency, and wants to pay for him, let him go.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Vladar is going to care about playing time, and for that reason may prefer the Sharks, where it is more of a platoon situation for a couple years as Askarov ramps up. As opposed to in Calgary where Wolf is the clear #1 now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Soooo - not even close to unmovable then

If you take it to heart extremes sure. Likely unmovable for what they’d actually get in return

[really?]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Frost and Zary (Maybe) are complementary players on a Stanley Cup Caliber team.

No way these two should even be in the unmovable conversation.

If SJ came and offered the #2 overall for Frost and Zary you are saying no?

Flames always fall in love with good but not elite players. The goal needs to be always adding elite talent.

If you ever get the chance to package multiple assets for an elite talent you go for it, unless their names are Wolf or Parekh

If the Flames are thinking Zary and Frost are untouchable we are in big trouble

Frost isn’t going anywhere, but I doubt it’s because the Flames have fallen in love with him. A guy with 300 plus nhl games, who received power play time and some second line duty, and produced at a level that projects to 8-9 goals and 20-25 assists over a full season doesn’t have the league gathering at your door. They resign him because he fills a whole until someone better comes along or develops.

Zary is interesting because if he doesn’t transition to center his future with the Flames is set in jello at present. As other posters have mentioned there are a number of LWs who soon MAY be as good, and would be cheaper. I would say he carries value in the league (2nd round pick+) but he has some things to prove in Calgary for him to secure a future here. If he doesn’t show as a center in three years I would say he is elsewhere, but Frost will likely be here for the duration of the deal the Flames sign him to, hopefully limited to 3 years.

[Muta]

Honestly, Vladar is a perfect fit for the Sharks. Would get more playing time there, and he's been constantly flirting with being a #1; his performance down the stretch this season with us was terrific. There were times I was more confident with him than with Wolf. Now, he just needs the runway to perform as the 'go-to' guy. If he's not in the Flames plans, I hope Connie can eke out a draft pick for his rights at least (if San Jose is indeed, truly interested in him).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Muta

Honestly, Vladar is a perfect fit for the Sharks. Would get more playing time there, and he's been constantly flirting with being a #1; his performance down the stretch this season with us was terrific. There were times I was more confident with him than with Wolf. Now, he just needs the runway to perform as the 'go-to' guy. If he's not in the Flames plans, I hope Connie can eke out a draft pick for his rights at least (if San Jose is indeed, truly interested in him).

When have the rights to a back-up pending UFA goalie every netted anything in a trade?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When have the rights to a back-up pending UFA goalie every netted anything in a trade?

Who cares? If San Jose is interested, why wouldn't Conroy at least inquire?

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Frost and Zary (Maybe) are complementary players on a Stanley Cup Caliber team.

No way these two should even be in the unmovable conversation.

If SJ came and offered the #2 overall for Frost and Zary you are saying no?

Flames always fall in love with good but not elite players. The goal needs to be always adding elite talent.

If you ever get the chance to package multiple assets for an elite talent you go for it, unless their names are Wolf or Parekh

If the Flames are thinking Zary and Frost are untouchable we are in big trouble

The reason Frost is "untouchable" is because Conroy just went through all of the effort to acquire him just a few months ago and he is our only legit top 6 C under the age of 30. Right now while he is not under contract, I think it is okay to move him especially if they are not close on a new contract.... but once he is signed to a brand new contract it is really frowned upon to trade a guy you just acquired and signed.

Zary is good and should not be a throw in but if someone offers you a chance at a #1C then trading Zary makes sense. I would have traded him for Cozens as I think that is an upgrade but I would not trade him for Bystedt as I feel they are of the same caliber (both are late first round picks).

Also, the Sharks have zero need for forwards. The whole reasoning for the Sharks making the #2 pick available is because the Sharks are overflowing with forward prospects and have a logjam of Cs but are super thin on D. They want to roll out their rookie goaltender next year and would like to have a defense in front of Askarov that will give him a chance at a successful rookie season.

If the Sharks deploy the same D group as this year, then Askarov will get destroyed game after game. They need upgrades to their D group that will help immediately and the best available D are Ekblad and then Andersson.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If you ever get the chance to package multiple assets for an elite talent you go for it, unless their names are Wolf or Parekh

Unless it's a McDavid level talent, Wolf and Parekh are clearly off the board. Both players are what you hope a top 3 draft pick becomes. Parekh is a consensus top 5 ranked prospect and seems to be climbing. Wolf looks like a franchise starting goalie.

Both players fill huge needs for the organization too. Unless one demands out, I can't see either being moved.

The only major missing hole for the Flames is a #1 centre. Any #1 centre being drafted this year is going to have questions marks about their ability to be a franchise centre and be further behind in their development than Parekh.

The only player I could see Parekh being moved for is Gavin Mckenna. Mckenna may want to play in Calgary, having grown up a Flames fan.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Why not? Zary was tracking fantastically until his 2 knee injuries. On pace or better than Coronato. So it's easy to reason why the Flames wouldn't be interested in moving him.

And I already stated the reason why CGY wouldn't be interested in moving Frost. It's perfectly reasonable to think that

I assume they are not looking to trade him, but a player who scored about 25 points and who needs to be paid is certainly not on any unmoveable list.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There really should just be a scale of tradable from "have to trade at any cost" to "it would take a miracle". But no untouchables. Not even Wolf, I suppose but it would take a miracle offer.

Correct, no one is untouchable per se. But some players are more untouchable than others.

Neither Wolf nor Parekh have more trade value than some other players in the league. So, by definition, neither is untouchable.

[Monahammer]

I will be shocked if Rasmus returns a 1st at this point.

Chycrun is a good comparable. Was traded last season with one year left at $4.6 mil cap hit and pending UFA, looking for a big contract. Traded to washington for nick jensen and a 3rd.

[traptor]

I feel like worst case for Rasmus is the hanifin deal. If they don't get atleast a 1st, they just won't trade him.

I could see it being more of a hockey deal though and maybe not explicitly a 1st, like the toffoli trade.

E.g. Montreal trades us Dach+ for Rasmus but its not necessarily a 1st.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I assume they are not looking to trade him, but a player who scored about 25 points and who needs to be paid is certainly not on any unmoveable list.

From a team perspective they re investing in the young guys . And sure any player can be moved in the right trade but for all intents and purposes, Zary and Frost are Flames and the management from what we've heard aren't interested in moving either at this point. Again, unless the right deal comes along but when has the right deal come along for the Flames young players who wanted to be here?

[really?]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I will be shocked if Rasmus returns a 1st at this point.

Chycrun is a good comparable. Was traded last season with one year left at $4.6 mil cap hit and pending UFA, looking for a big contract. Traded to washington for nick jensen and a 3rd.

You may be right, but the results of that deal could help the Flames. Chycrun became a major cog in the Caps successful season, and if a team sees Anderson potentially positioned to have the same impact, it could very well drive up the value for Andersson. In retrospect, that deal was a steal by the Caps. Like shiny objects, seeing things in real time has a way of twisting perception.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I will be shocked if Rasmus returns a 1st at this point.

Chycrun is a good comparable. Was traded last season with one year left at $4.6 mil cap hit and pending UFA, looking for a big contract. Traded to washington for nick jensen and a 3rd.

I think as a rental he is easily worth a late first to a contender.

And if he plays better this season than last, at the deadline he could return more than that.

But he certainly isn't the headliner for a deal involving the #2 draft pick.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Just to follow up from my post yesterday with new info today. Misa is about 60-40 to be picked over Martone in the 2 slot. Their board is currently: Schaefer, Misa, Martone, Hagens.

Also, Ekblad, Andersson, Provorov is the top 3 in order of interest apparently. Pionk was 1 but that is out the door now.

And Dan Vladar is currently of high interest for the Sharks. That order from what I was told is: 1. Vladar, 2. Samsonov, 3. Lyon. They want to add a goalie to play with Askarov.

Thanks for these updates. Great to have an insider who is connected to another team.

I wonder what Anderson and the rights to Vladar would be worth to the Sharks? Perhaps throw in a winger as well to help them fill out their roster (Coleman, Farabee, etc).

I can't imagine a scenario in which we could get pick #2. Otherwise, their late first (Dallas), or 2026 1st, or Bystedt should all be targets.