Making the playoffs or keeping our top-10 first round pick 2025?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yup they're not rebuilding.


They're speed running the retool.


We had the perfect opportunity to bottom out after the Chucky and Gaudreau departure and before Wolf had emerged. Flames screwed it big time.


Now they're rushing a retool. Could it work out? Sure, but we will need to be very lucky.

Even with the guys who left last year.

This organization with Edwards as an owner will never win a thing.

I remember Conroy saying his first interview for GM was terrible so Maloney coached him for his 2nd. Most likely said he would rebuild and Edwards was upset.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

What's wrong with being mediocre?

The vast majority of tear it down rebuilds aspire to be mediocre as an endpoint for the rebuild.

[dino7c]

Its crazy to watch people make things up to be mad about...are your lives really that easy? Flames have made exactly ZERO win now moves. They have the best rookie goalie in the NHL...they made one significant move that made the team younger NOT OLDER and have what 20M in cap space.

lol get a grip

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its crazy to watch people make things up to be mad about...are your lives really that easy? Flames have made exactly ZERO win now moves. They have the best rookie goalie in the NHL...they made one significant move that made the team younger NOT OLDER and have what 20M in cap space.

lol get a grip

Average age of 26 went out and 25 came in. That’s a big youth movement for sure.

Cap space was kept because we need to sign players and last years free agent class sucked.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Average age of 26 went out and 25 came in. That’s a big youth movement for sure.

How much would you expect the average age of a 23 man roster to move down in the span of 1 trade?

[Sainters7]

Not that I WANT to tank per se, but not sure why some think the "best" Flames could do in the Draft is 10th OA. They're only 2 points above 9th overall (with no games in hand on NYR at #9), and 5 points above 7th overall.

Yeah, they're not getting in the top 3. But depending how the rest of the year goes, top 5 isn't out of the question. The standings are so tight. Now let me get a puke bucket for sounding like a Greaser fan...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

How much would you expect the average age of a 23 man roster to move down in the span of 1 trade?

Not much but Dino thinks the Flames can do no wrong. It’s clearly a win now move and one for the next 3-4 years when the GM said I got help for us now.

We will see what happens in the summer. But if we go free agent hunting and sign Andersson we will just be in the same cycle of 8-11 every year until it’s time to trade guys away because we don’t want to do the hard part today.

Don’t think that’s a GM issue. It’s ownership.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not much but Dino thinks the Flames can do no wrong. It’s clearly a win now move and one for the next 3-4 years when the GM said I got help for us now.

We will see what happens in the summer. But if we go free agent hunting and sign Andersson we will just be in the same cycle of 8-11 every year until it’s time to trade guys away because we don’t want to do the hard part today.

Don’t think that’s a GM issue. It’s ownership.

This is exactly my point...you are getting mad about things that haven't happened lol

Flames haven't made any go for it at all costs, win now, ect. type moves. Flames can do no right according to some. You have posted the same thing in this thread every day for months...we get it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Not that I WANT to tank per se, but not sure why some think the "best" Flames could do in the Draft is 10th OA. They're only 2 points above 9th overall (with no games in hand on NYR at #9), and 5 points above 7th overall.

Yeah, they're not getting in the top 3. But depending how the rest of the year goes, top 5 isn't out of the question. The standings are so tight. Now let me get a puke bucket for sounding like a Greaser fan...

come on now...Flames are 8 points up on Seattle with 2 games in hand. They have 4 games in hand and 6 points on the Pens. These teams all play each other they can't all lose.

Top 5 is certainly out of the question

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Even with the guys who left last year.

This organization with Edwards as an owner will never win a thing.

I remember Conroy saying his first interview for GM was terrible so Maloney coached him for his 2nd. Most likely said he would rebuild and Edwards was upset.

Do have any evidence at all to support such a claim (of Edwards only hiring Conroy after he said he wouldn't rebuild)?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Hackey

You don't own a sports team with the goal of making money on a yearly basis.

You also don't own a sports team with the goal of losing tens of millions of cash on a yearly basis and hoping to make it up eventually when you sell. It's very, very easy to have negative cashflow in that business.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its crazy to watch people make things up to be mad about...are your lives really that easy? Flames have made exactly ZERO win now moves. They have the best rookie goalie in the NHL...they made one significant move that made the team younger NOT OLDER and have what 20M in cap space.

lol get a grip

They offered contracts to Lindholm and Hanifin.

They’ve indicated their preference is to resign Andersson.

Rumours have them interested Rantanen as a UFA.

Just because they haven’t made win now moves doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to do just that.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yet you think Huska is a great coach. Thanks for this.

Huska is a good coach. He has a bottom 5 roster talent wise on the playoff bubble.

I have to laugh too at people saying we haven't made any "win now" attempts. We tried to overpay and resign Lindholm and Hanifin. We are rumored to have been in on Jones. The only reason people are praising our management is because these players are saying no to us, and saving us from being dumb.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Huska is a good coach. He has a bottom 5 roster talent wise on the playoff bubble.

I have to laugh too at people saying we haven't made any "win now" attempts. We tried to overpay and resign Lindholm and Hanifin. We are rumored to have been in on Jones. The only reason people are praising our management is because these players are saying no to us, and saving us from being dumb.

Interest in Jones could have been simply then seeing the Hawks would add a pick to move the player

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They offered contracts to Lindholm and Hanifin.

They’ve indicated their preference is to resign Andersson.

Rumours have them interested Rantanen as a UFA.

Just because they haven’t made win now moves doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to do just that.

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I have to laugh too at people saying we haven't made any "win now" attempts. We tried to overpay and resign Lindholm and Hanifin. We are rumored to have been in on Jones. The only reason people are praising our management is because these players are saying no to us, and saving us from being dumb.

They haven’t actually made any “win now” moves, but if you ignore facts and base your opinion based entirely on rumour and intentions/motivations assumed specifically to fit your POV, then they actually have been trying to win now!

I think that leaves plenty for the “other side” to laugh at.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They offered contracts to Lindholm and Hanifin.

They’ve indicated their preference is to resign Andersson.

Rumours have them interested Rantanen as a UFA.

Just because they haven’t made win now moves doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to do just that.

They offered contracts that would have kept Lindholm and Hanifin as organizational assets, at salaries that would still have been tradable for useful assets if the Flames needed to get younger. When those offers were rejected, they refused to make offers that would have retained the players at cap hits which would have no longer made them tradable assets.

Every team with the cap space will make Rantanen an offer. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Flames are any more interested in him than any other team, they just have more cap space than most other teams. If Rantanen offered to sign with the Flames for $10M, would you consider that a bad signing? Put him on the Flames' top line line, slot almost every other forward in a better spot than they are now, add Parekh on the 3rd D pairing and to QB the PP, and tell me that that doesn't instantly make them a contender.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Rantanen
Farabee-Zary-Coronato
Honzek-Frost-Sharangovich
Pospisil-Backlund-Coleman

Bahl-Andersson
Weegar-Hanley
Pachal-Parekh

Wolf

Kind of like Vegas before the Eichel trade - a 1A line and three 2nd lines. A contender even without an elite 1C. And unlike Vegas at the time, an elite goaltender and a potentially elite D.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This is exactly my point...you are getting mad about things that haven't happened lol

Flames haven't made any go for it at all costs, win now, ect. type moves. Flames can do no right according to some. You have posted the same thing in this thread every day for months...we get it.

Did you miss the part where I said IF.

You are a homer and Edwards can do wrong for oh we get it. You want the Flames to spend all the cap space on free agents.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think the Flames have shown interest in signing players because they know it is hard to attract players here. So if you have a good payer (e.g. Hanifin or Andersson) and they want to stay for a reasonable rate - they probably are open to it. But it has to be for the right type of contract.

How many ACTUAL and COMPLETED moves has the team made that suggest they are trying to win now. Not rumored moves. Not things that didn't happen. Actual things.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Huska is a good coach. He has a bottom 5 roster talent wise on the playoff bubble.

I have to laugh too at people saying we haven't made any "win now" attempts. We tried to overpay and resign Lindholm and Hanifin. We are rumored to have been in on Jones. The only reason people are praising our management is because these players are saying no to us, and saving us from being dumb.

You lost all credibility when you said rumored...also they didnt meet Lindholms ask

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Put him on the Flames' top line line, slot almost every other forward in a better spot than they are now, and tell me that that doesn't instantly make them a contender.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Rantanen
Farabee-Zary-Coronato
Honzek-Frost-Sharangovich
Pospisil-Backlund-Coleman

This doesnt make them anywhere near a contender