Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It was brought up with Scheer during questioning on CTV news a few days ago where they mentioned that polling showed the majority of Canadians don’t want an early election. Albeit if I’m recalling correctly that it wasn’t a large majority, somewhere around 60%.

Did you mean to quote me there?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well, go for it. Read their party platform. Just let me know when they've accomplished that, and why the haven't had a referendum on the issue since 1995.

You realize you are outright failing to argue here right just to have some weird narrative about the Bloc's motives?

https://www.blocquebecois.org/wp-con...ments_2023.pdf

You can translate for yourself and put it in google if you wish.

DÉCLARATION DE PRINCIPES
UN PARTI INDÉPENDANTISTE SUR LA SCÈNE FÉDÉRALE
Le Bloc Québécois est un parti politique indépendantiste, implanté exclusivement au Québec.
Il sera présent sur la scène fédérale jusqu’à la réalisation de l’indépendance du Québec. Il
rétablit la concordance et la légitimité entre la vision d’un peuple et celle de ses
représentantes et représentants élus sur la scène fédérale. Le Bloc Québécois affirme
l’existence de la nation québécoise, exige sa reconnaissance et défend son droit de choisir
librement son avenir.
Pour assurer au peuple québécois le libre exercice de ce droit, le Bloc Québécois fait en sorte
qu’il soit bien compris au Canada et respecté par les institutions fédérales. L’indépendance
du Québec réalisée, il n’aura plus sa raison d’être.

SA MISSION
Sa mission fondamentale est la promotion et la réalisation de l’indépendance du Québec à la
suite d’une décision démocratique des Québécoises et des Québécois en ce sens. Toute
décision concernant la nation québécoise ne peut avoir pour centre et assise que le seul État
québécois par son assemblée nationale.
Le projet indépendantiste dont est porteur le Bloc Québécois est démocratique, inclusif et
respectueux des droits de la minorité anglophone de même que des nations autochtones. Il
est ouvert sur le monde.
Il propose le plein épanouissement de la nation québécoise et se fonde sur l’existence et la
promotion d’une identité nationale : une langue commune, le français; une culture et une
histoire spécifiques; et un territoire, celui du Québec. Interlocuteur privilégié du Québec face
au Canada, le Bloc Québécois explique aux Canadiennes et aux Canadiens de toutes les
régions la volonté réelle du Québec de conclure, sur une base d’intérêts mutuels, une entente
de partenariat économique et politique, une fois réalisée la souveraineté du Québec

Il contribue à faire contrepoids à une diplomatie canadienne qui nie l’existence
du peuple québécois.
Le Bloc Québécois joue pleinement son rôle au cœur même du mouvement indépendantiste
québécois. Il contribue à la réflexion, à la promotion et à la mise en place des conditions pour
réaliser l’indépendance du Québec. De plus, il entend œuvrer de façon soutenue à réunir les
partenaires indépendantistes de tous les horizons dans une démarche concertée menant à la
l’indépendance du Québec

TLDR just because the Bloc Quebecois / Parti Quebecois isn't promoting a sovereignty referendum today as they know there is currently no appetite to reopen the question by Quebecers, doesn't change that this is their ultimate goal and reason for existing and will continue to remain.

[activeStick]

Isn't Singh also trained in MMA? He would have had that nerd on the ground, tapping out in under 30 seconds lol. Loved seeing that guy shrink in fear after being asked if he said it.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Singh confronting that twerp was unreal. Good for him.

[Ozy_Flame]

I never said the Bloc isn't separatist, I just said their primary strategy is not that right now. Quebec politics in recent years is about building a nation within a nation. Blanchet knows that as well as anyone.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Did you mean to quote me there?

Yeah, my bad though because I mistakenly thought you were responding to rube’s claim that the majority of Canadians don’t want an early election

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Isn't Singh also trained in MMA? He would have had that nerd on the ground, tapping out in under 30 seconds lol. Loved seeing that guy shrink in fear after being asked if he said it.

The immediate stare down at the phone was so submissive it was hilarious to watch.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The immediate stare down at the phone was so submissive it was hilarious to watch.

I loved the if I said it I would admit it line as well

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I loved the if I said it I would admit it line as well

Narrator: He wouldn't have.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

The easy out for the Bloc and NDP is to just say that Canadians don't want an early election and they're respecting the wishes of the Canadian people. The polls support this, so it's not really untrue.

It's a bit odd, though, because the poll - which is very recent - was based on the alternative that the parties work together on individual items. That is very obviously not happening, and to the extent that one party is more to blame for that than the others, it's the LPC, who take active steps wherever possible to shut down any progress on any issue or inquiry that is politically harmful to them. So if the follow up question to those respondents is, "what if they won't work together? Then do you think we should have an election?" one wonders what the actual will of the public is here.

I guess the other point to make is that to the extent anyone responding to that poll is even remotely informed about the current state of the electorate and how the three major parties are performing, they'd know that an election now means a PP-led CPC government, so to some extent, it's a referendum on that outcome. It's not surprising that 56% of people don't want that, because according to the same poll (IIRC) the CPC has 45% support (to 25% for the LPC and 16% for the NDP). So 56% against an election that would make PP the PM, and 45% in favour of PP being the PM, all lines up pretty well.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Singh confronting that twerp was unreal. Good for him.

I had to watch that clip a few times because my initial thought was that it was a racial slur, in which case I could understand Singh's reaction.

Calling a politician -- any politician -- "corrupted" is pretty standard boilerplate heckling.

Singh was ticked off because apparently they've been harassing lots of other people, including visitors to the Hill.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I had to watch that clip a few times because my initial thought was that it was a racial slur, in which case I could understand Singh's reaction.

Calling a politician -- any politician -- "corrupted" is pretty standard boilerplate heckling.

Singh was ticked off because apparently they've been harassing lots of other people, including visitors to the Hill.

Corrupted bastard.

He probably #### his pants, Singh looked like he was going to smack him.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Corrupted bastard.

He probably #### his pants, Singh looked like he was going to smack him.

The way he turned around I was expecting him to pull off the Henry Cavill Arm Reload.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by belsarius

The way he turned around I was expecting him to pull off the Henry Cavill Arm Reload.

Or a Shawinigan Handshake!

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I had to watch that clip a few times because my initial thought was that it was a racial slur, in which case I could understand Singh's reaction.

Calling a politician -- any politician -- "corrupted" is pretty standard boilerplate heckling.

Singh was ticked off because apparently they've been harassing lots of other people, including visitors to the Hill.

One of them spat on an MP back in June. Same cowardly reaction when confronted

https://montreal.citynews.ca/2024/06...dicino-ottawa/

[Cappy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadian/s/fLCFB2syCK

Apparently this is the guy who folded like a lawn chair when confronted. Such a looks like he found out

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lmao Waylon Shrek. Who is ready to f around and find out. Apparently he wasn’t ready to find out.

[Ozy_Flame]

Just as I thought.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1836464508736541153

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Just as I thought.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1836464508736541153

I don't think anyone expected them to trigger an election right away, they'll try to get some goodies from the Liberals first. I was listening to Blanchet talk on CBC? this morning, he said October might be a different story. Most likely the government will fall in the spring on their budget.

[Ozy_Flame]

Glad you agree there's more than enough reason for Bloc to be voting for confidence in the Libs next week then. No need to vote against it. Exactly what a smart political party should be doing.