[PGT] Calgary Civic Election Results Discussion

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I think Barb hurt McIver in taking away the air of inevitability from him. Before she announced her run, it looked like McIver was going to have the election pretty easily. When the polls started to look like that was no longer going to be the case, people started looking at all of the candidates.

In the end, Barb split the ABM vote but opened up a more vulnerable McIver so that Nenshi could pull it out.

Without Barb I think the dynamics of the entire campaign is different. McIver targets Nenshi quicker so it's not a surprise. The two probably have televised debates since Barb was the one holding those back. We'll never know what would have happened.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Without Barb I think the dynamics of the entire campaign is different. McIver targets Nenshi quicker so it's not a surprise. The two probably have televised debates since Barb was the one holding those back. We'll never know what would have happened.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if McIver and Nenshi announced they were having a televised debate, and Barb could come, or not, if she didn't want to. I could actually see that having forced her to come.

[Knalus]

One of the reasons I believe Barb entered the race early (and put her campaign backwards, as some analysts were saying yesterday), was an attempt to head off any other potential candidates. Think about it, if Barb entered the race first, Kent Hehr likely wouldn't have. Brings up the question - who else might have run if Barb didn't? I mean, she was a pretty big shock herself, no one saw that coming. It might have been as interesting a three horse race as this one was, but with different horses.

[yads]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Without Barb I think the dynamics of the entire campaign is different. McIver targets Nenshi quicker so it's not a surprise. The two probably have televised debates since Barb was the one holding those back. We'll never know what would have happened.

That's true, with Barb entering and immediately becoming a front runner, forced Ric to focus on Barb. If she hadn't entered and Nenshi became the leading ABM candidate Ric would have campaigned a lot harder against him. Whereas he didn't start to focus in on Nenshi until it was too late.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I'm so choked that dullard won, I am tempted to run next time, and see if I can mobilize the Soviet hordes of Woodbine and Shawnee to oust her...

You should run. I know a guy who would help you out a lot and he knows how to get approximately 2809 votes

Originally Posted by yads

Made a bet back in the spring with a friend against McIver. Boo ya!

How did DCU win again? She is just the worst. Fiscal conservatives don't use public funds to buy golf courses so a few people can have a better view.

I hate to say it, but she won because there was no one running against her. I talked with Andrew Rodych and he is a great guy; but he wasn't going to oust her with his campaign (and knew that). Trevor Hodge did his best, and Sandy Jenkins lives in Hillhurst or Sunnyside so most of his issues don't translate at all. Its not like there was a powerhouse candidate against her who had raised some money and was prepared to get in the trenches to battle her.

Its too bad. She was vulnerable this time around....she could've been take to task for the Glenmore MLA election, and her general lack of doing anything. It wouldn't be easy, but it wouldn't be impossible. If she does nothing for the next three years, or can't work with Nenshi then she could face a more serious challenge next time around.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Maybe the rest of her ward does care they just aren't going to show up at a meeting. Maybe the rest of her ward doesn't want their green space taken away one day.

What bothers me is this is your logic.

DCU based her campaign on the Golf Course.
No one cares about the Golf Course
DCU wins in a landslide
People are Idiots (when maybe people do really care about the golf course).

However, if she lost, I suspect your story would look like so:

DCU based her campaign on the Golf Course.
No one cares about the Golf Course
DCU loses in a landslide
I told you people didn't care about the golf course.

Actually, she won because Ward 13 had a boring race, and people probably didn't care enough to do any research. Nothing really differentiated the other candidates from each other, and none of them really had strong platforms to vote for. That part of it doesn't surprise me...especially considering all the other incumbents that made survived last night.

I can guarantee that almost no one bothered to look at DCU's website. It came up only in the last couple weeks before the election. Her old one was terrible. The only other stuff I saw for her campaign before her new website was her monthly letter in a community magazine, most of it spent talking about Shawnee Slopes.

EDIT: Ah, Slava said the same thing basically...

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Unless my love for Jenna Haze hampers my electioneering.

You've mentioned Jenna Haze about 10 times in the past week. Please...back off.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Without Barb I think the dynamics of the entire campaign is different. McIver targets Nenshi quicker so it's not a surprise. The two probably have televised debates since Barb was the one holding those back. We'll never know what would have happened.

Higgins definitely was a gamechanger.

McIver essentially ran an incumbent style campaign - cautious, risk averse, and in prevent defense mode. He had a large enough lead in the polls and enough money that he felt that he could cruise to the finish line. Barb's entrance put that into doubt. People became more engaged because she posed a legitimate threat to him. The light of day was shone on the other candidates and Nenshi was able to capitalize brilliantly on the opportunity. IMO, the true TSN Turning Point was the Police Chief debacle...it really legitimized Nenshi as a major force.

McIver never adjusted the campaign to deal with this and as they say in football - the only thing that a prevent defense prevents is a win.

Nenshi still won on his own merits (to my biased eye, he really is one of Canada's most impressively qualified mayors) and it takes an incredible team of dedicated volunteers to move from also ran status to winner in just a few weeks.

[Flames0910]

Not to brag, but I was heaping praise on Nenshi's awesome campaign on August 13, well before any of the political pundits and media personalities had identified him as a frontrunner.

This is a highlight of somebody who seems to 'just get it'. Nenshi has a plan (strategy), puts his mind to problem-solving (marketing) and gets the word out in innovative fashion (technology).

I hate to gush, but really, the campaign is so well executed. The central theme: "Better Ideas, Better Calgary" is awesome. It reminds me of Gillette's The Best a Man Can Get - what do you say if you're a competitor? We're Even Better? The Bestest? You're basically forced to change the conversation which can be extremely difficult.

hextramblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/extraordinary-marketing-highlight.html

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Really? Imagine that, advertising homes in a community with a temporary golf course. Are you actually trying to pass this off as fact? That land was zoned as a special reserve (green space/golf course).

If the city was sensible they'd buy the land on the cheap and run it as a public course. Eventually if it became profitable they could spin it off for a profit. Its not like there isnt other public courses in town. I don't live in the area but I think its garbage all these people are getting the shaft. Next it will be the golf course in Douglasdale.

It is fact. It is something you as a home owner should be aware of when you purchase the property. Same thing with being in a right of way for a TOC. It is the responsibility of the homeowner to understand what the land use is in their area if they have concerns about a golf course closing.

It was a privately owned course, it could be sold at any time. Get over it.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

You've mentioned Jenna Haze about 10 times in the past week. Please...back off.

You sir are insane, since I haven't mentioned her in at least 3 months. Find me a link to prove otherwise.

[Mazrim]

So, everyone's favorite MLA Kyle Fawcett right now is "too busy" to respond to people about his tweet last night, though Steady Eddie has already talked about it.

Premier Ed Stelmach reacted to Fawcett's comments Tuesday morning.

"He is remorseful….he might have been supporting another candidate and probably didn't think before he put the message out, but I had a good chat with the mayor-elect, He's a progressive thinker, he wants to build Calgary and Alberta together with our government and I look forward to working with him," says Stelmach.

CTV called Kyle Fawcett several time, but he says he's too busy to talk about this.
Two other cabinet ministers found the time to talk about the incident.

They say Fawcett's comments don't reflect the government's position, and Education Minister Dave Hancock says he regrets that Fawcett Tweeted that.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

So, everyone's favorite MLA Kyle Fawcett right now is "too busy" to respond to people about his tweet last night, though Steady Eddie has already talked about it.


http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

What a "brilliant" move it was on his part to tweet that, yeah because nobody that was for Nenshi was on the social media sites...

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

What a "brilliant" move it was on his part to tweet that, yeah because nobody that was for Nenshi was on the social media sites...

Seriously, what a dumbass.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by kermitology

It is fact. It is something you as a home owner should be aware of when you purchase the property. Same thing with being in a right of way for a TOC. It is the responsibility of the homeowner to understand what the land use is in their area if they have concerns about a golf course closing.

It was a privately owned course, it could be sold at any time. Get over it.

Just like everyone complaining about the closure of Rocky Ridge Road and delaying the construction of the Stoney/Crowchild interchange because of all their appeals.

Check out the plans for your neighbourhood from the 80's much??

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Flames0910

Seriously, what a dumbass.

Too busy to talk about it but not busy enough to take to twitter.


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[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by kermitology

It is fact. It is something you as a home owner should be aware of when you purchase the property. Same thing with being in a right of way for a TOC. It is the responsibility of the homeowner to understand what the land use is in their area if they have concerns about a golf course closing.

It was a privately owned course, it could be sold at any time. Get over it.

If its zoned as one thing (a park) how does a landowner know its going to be rezoned and developed? They don't and couldnt know. At least people in the right of way for a TUC get fair value for their property.

[CaptainCrunch]

Ok Nenshi

What have you done for me lately, its already 4:00 and the world hasn't changed yet.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Haha @ CaptainCrunch...it's 4:00 and the McIver team takes a collective deep breath as the earth hasn't spun off its axis and the sun still seems to rise and likely will set tonight.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Ok Nenshi

What have you done for me lately, its already 4:00 and the world hasn't changed yet.

He doesn't actually take office till the 25h tho right?