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burn_this_city · 10-19-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by yads

Made a bet back in the spring with a friend against McIver. Boo ya!

How did DCU win again? She is just the worst. Fiscal conservatives don't use public funds to buy golf courses so a few people can have a better view.

I'm sure you'd have exactly that stance, if it was your home about to take a huge hit on value.

bizaro86 · 10-19-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pylon

I would be interested to see a study of Nenshi's voters analyzing how many of them have ever paid a nickel of property or business tax to this city in their life.

I'm paying (along w/ my wife) over 7k of property tax per year. I voted Nenshi. I was called out on a previous thread regarding a (partially tongue in cheek) suggestion that votes be allocated by property tax dollars paid. I suspect the result would have been similar had that methodology been used.

kermitology · 10-19-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I'm sure you'd have exactly that stance, if it was your home about to take a huge hit on value.

That's laughable. Those residents knew when they bought their houses that the day could/would come when the golf course would be shut down.

bizaro86 · 10-19-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I'm sure you'd have exactly that stance, if it was your home about to take a huge hit on value.

There are numerous private golf courses in Calgary. Those who wanted it kept as a golf course for economic reasons could have banded together to buy it as equity members.

Jimmy Stang · 10-19-2010, 01:22 PM

It is all quite comical really. Not paraphrasing anyone in particular (honestly), but the general sentiment leading up to and following the election in the media, CP, etc.. "Nenshi's voters won't show up", "Nenshi's voters are all kids and don't know anything", "Nenshi's voters aren't property/business owners", "Nenshi's voters are too self-absorbed with Twitter and Facebook and aren't running a real campaign." Now that it's over, there's still a lot of "well he only won because of this or that."

It seems that so many of the analysts, media types, and general naysayers are the most surprised by how this played out. Disappointment for some is one thing, but the surge was hardly surprising. I'm not sure if they ignored/denied the signs or were relying too heavily on traditional benchmarks, but you could just sense that the election was shifting.

When my parents, (the complete opposite of the falsely-stereotyped Nenshi voter) put a Nenshi sign on their lawn a few weeks ago without any previous indication that they'd do so, I knew that Nenshi had reached beyond the "youth" vote. Property-owning, conservative-leaning 60-year olds, who can't find their way to twitter or facebook, let alone use it.

Maybe it wasn't just the kids and facebook and twitter.

VladtheImpaler · 10-19-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by yads

Made a bet back in the spring with a friend against McIver. Boo ya!

How did DCU win again? She is just the worst. Fiscal conservatives don't use public funds to buy golf courses so a few people can have a better view.

I'm so choked that dullard won, I am tempted to run next time, and see if I can mobilize the Soviet hordes of Woodbine and Shawnee to oust her...

burn_this_city · 10-19-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kermitology

That's laughable. Those residents knew when they bought their houses that the day could/would come when the golf course would be shut down.

Really? Imagine that, advertising homes in a community with a temporary golf course. Are you actually trying to pass this off as fact? That land was zoned as a special reserve (green space/golf course).

If the city was sensible they'd buy the land on the cheap and run it as a public course. Eventually if it became profitable they could spin it off for a profit. Its not like there isnt other public courses in town. I don't live in the area but I think its garbage all these people are getting the shaft. Next it will be the golf course in Douglasdale.

Mazrim · 10-19-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I'm sure you'd have exactly that stance, if it was your home about to take a huge hit on value.

Why did DCU base her campaign around 50 houses on the outside of a golf course? Her argument that it's "an important green space for the community" is false, as I can walk 5 minutes from the course to Fish Creek Park, which is free, and monstrous. Why is she expending so much effort to help a small group of people? The rest of Shawnessy doesn't care at all, as evidenced by the same 50-100 people who show up at every single meeting about Shawnee Slopes, never anyone different.

These people aren't about to have some 10 story condos built against their yard. The developer has bent over backwards to landscape the area with trees and shurbs to block pretty much any view of whatever will be built in there. They're even keeping a large area open as green space with a gazebo and park.

I just can't make sense of it, and it bothers me to no end that she still was re-voted in with no other real points to campaign on.

Playfair's Hairgel · 10-19-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by trew

Does anyone know if there is a way to see the vote counts for a particular station/region inside of a Ward?

Try this

http://election.gov.calgary.ab.ca/

The Yen Man · 10-19-2010, 01:29 PM

I think people need to curb a little of their enthusiasm though. I'm happy Nenshi won because I'm interested in his vision of a sustainable and vibrant city that he talks about. But at the end of the day, he's just a mayor. There are limits to what he can do. As much as he's promised on certain things, the reality is he is probably going to compromise on a lot of issues because of a number of limitations.

But I'm willing to give him a chance and see how it goes. IMO, he can't be any worse than Bronco.

Jimmy Stang · 10-19-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by c.t.ner

Given the potential she had coming into this campaign, I'm still in awe at how many horrible decisions she (or her handlers) made.

I honestly think that the top-3 finishing order could have been reversed if Barb had been able to capitalize on her name and face recognition. So many people wanted to like Barb (myself included), and given how elections (unfortunately) are often decided on a familiar name, I really think that it was her election to lose. And she did.

It has already been said by myself and others, but my impression of Ric McIver improved quite a bit throughout the election. That, combined with Barb's debacle of a campaign, made me feel that Ric would have been a satisfactory mayor. A month ago I wouldn't have believed that I'd say that.

bizaro86 · 10-19-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

Holy crap, your house is $1.2MM. Do you need to go wash your money in the lagoon?

That's not just one property, and most of the ones other than my house belong much more to the mortgage lender than they do to me. I still pay the taxes, though.

yads · 10-19-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I'm so choked that dullard won, I am tempted to run next time, and see if I can mobilize the Soviet hordes of Woodbine and Shawnee to oust her...

Since it's virtually nothing, but Russians living there, you'll be a shoe in

yads · 10-19-2010, 01:37 PM

What's everyone's take on the vote split if Barb hadn't run? Did she turn out to be the wildcard in this election?

bizaro86 · 10-19-2010, 01:41 PM

Even if all of Barb's voters went elsewhere, the gap between Nenshi and McIver was too large, wouldn't have made a difference.

Although, if she hadn't joined the race, there would have been more media attention for others involved, allowing maybe the Hehr's and Stewart's of the race to build momentum.

I really think we should do preferential voting like in Australia, where they rank your votes and keep eliminating the bottom choice until someone has a 50%+1 majority. That would eliminate strategic voting, and would probably give lesser known candidates (ideas>name recognition) a better chance.

VladtheImpaler · 10-19-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by yads

Since it's virtually nothing, but Russians living there, you'll be a shoe in

Unless my love for Jenna Haze hampers my electioneering.

Jimmy Stang · 10-19-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by yads

What's everyone's take on the vote split if Barb hadn't run? Did she turn out to be the wildcard in this election?

For some reason I envision McIver winning in that scenario with Nenshi surging but falling short. Hawkesworth, Burrows, etc. still far behind. I think that Higgins killed McIver and elevated Nenshi.

Frank MetaMusil · 10-19-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

For some reason I envision McIver winning in that scenario with Nenshi surging but falling short. Hawkesworth, Burrows, etc. still far behind. I think that Higgins killed McIver and elevated Nenshi.

Yeah, I don't think Burrows stood much of a chance simply because of his last name. Should have changed that beforehand........

ben voyonsdonc · 10-19-2010, 01:54 PM

I think Barb hurt McIver in taking away the air of inevitability from him. Before she announced her run, it looked like McIver was going to have the election pretty easily. When the polls started to look like that was no longer going to be the case, people started looking at all of the candidates.

In the end, Barb split the ABM vote but opened up a more vulnerable McIver so that Nenshi could pull it out.

corporatejay · 10-19-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mazrim

Why did DCU base her campaign around 50 houses on the outside of a golf course? Her argument that it's "an important green space for the community" is false, as I can walk 5 minutes from the course to Fish Creek Park, which is free, and monstrous. Why is she expending so much effort to help a small group of people? The rest of Shawnessy doesn't care at all, as evidenced by the same 50-100 people who show up at every single meeting about Shawnee Slopes, never anyone different.

These people aren't about to have some 10 story condos built against their yard. The developer has bent over backwards to landscape the area with trees and shurbs to block pretty much any view of whatever will be built in there. They're even keeping a large area open as green space with a gazebo and park.

I just can't make sense of it, and it bothers me to no end that she still was re-voted in with no other real points to campaign on.

Maybe the rest of her ward does care they just aren't going to show up at a meeting. Maybe the rest of her ward doesn't want their green space taken away one day.

What bothers me is this is your logic.

DCU based her campaign on the Golf Course.
No one cares about the Golf Course
DCU wins in a landslide
People are Idiots (when maybe people do really care about the golf course).

However, if she lost, I suspect your story would look like so:

DCU based her campaign on the Golf Course.
No one cares about the Golf Course
DCU loses in a landslide
I told you people didn't care about the golf course.