new LIFE photos of Nazi Germany

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

How about you go troll somewhere else? If you are choked that someone is cutting up posts to twist their meaning, go after them.

You accused me of something I did not do, why are you pointing the 'comprehension' finger at me?

I pointed the finger at them dude, you stuck your nose into it with your 'please explain' post. How are you not getting this?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

THEY CAN MARRY WHO THEY WANT!!!! You are going to tell them who to marry? If they want to marry a Jew, let them! Who are you to judge?
What I said was not too common was when a family is angry like someone was posting. I agree though, Jews want to marry Jews, just like basically every other religion. So why bother mentioning it? It is a fact of life on this planet, people marry within cultures and religions all the time. You (I think it was your post) thought it would be good to tell this forum that Jews are guilty of being angry if their child does not marry a Jew.
Other atrocities are equally recognized, some more, some less. Someone's history is apparently at the top of the list. Lots of movies come out every year to highlight another horrible or shameful part of our history...but if it is about the holocaust, then WHOOOAAAA, it is just another attempt to push the holocaust on all of us. You might not be claiming that, but read the complete list of posts.
There are movies about WW2 and Japan, recently one about poverty in India, Aztecs, William Wallace etc. Many about the holocaust, but so what? Ask a Ukrainian about their history and if they have any sort of memorial to their past. I have no friggin clue, but I cannot blame society for that.

LOL, wow. Deep breaths bro. Try reading back, not a thing you mentioned has been raised by me.

[arloiginla]

Ich wusste ganz am anfang, dass diesen Konversation nicht gut gehen wurde. Die Lage is beschissen, aber doch nicht hoffnungslos.

[Playfair]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Ich wusste ganz am anfang, dass diesen Konversation nicht gut gehen wurde. Die Lage is beschissen, aber doch nicht hoffnungslos.

Very true.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

THEY CAN MARRY WHO THEY WANT!!!! You are going to tell them who to marry? If they want to marry a Jew, let them! Who are you to judge?
What I said was not too common was when a family is angry like someone was posting. I agree though, Jews want to marry Jews, just like basically every other religion. So why bother mentioning it? It is a fact of life on this planet, people marry within cultures and religions all the time. You (I think it was your post) thought it would be good to tell this forum that Jews are guilty of being angry if their child does not marry a Jew.
Other atrocities are equally recognized, some more, some less. Someone's history is apparently at the top of the list. Lots of movies come out every year to highlight another horrible or shameful part of our history...but if it is about the holocaust, then WHOOOAAAA, it is just another attempt to push the holocaust on all of us. You might not be claiming that, but read the complete list of posts.
There are movies about WW2 and Japan, recently one about poverty in India, Aztecs, William Wallace etc. Many about the holocaust, but so what? Ask a Ukrainian about their history and if they have any sort of memorial to their past. I have no friggin clue, but I cannot blame society for that.

You are coming across like someone who would bitch about the use of the word "ni gg a rdly" in the newspaper.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

I pointed the finger at them dude, you stuck your nose into it with your 'please explain' post. How are you not getting this?

Lies, go read what you wrote. Asking you to explain resulted in your claim I was twisting posts to alter their meaning. You may have meant someone else, but refuse to admit it.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Lies, go read what you wrote. Asking you to explain resulted in your claim I was twisting posts to alter their meaning. You may have meant someone else, but refuse to admit it.

Replace 'you' with 'he'. Now stop crying, you stuck your nose into it all on your own.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

Replace 'you' with 'he'. Now stop crying, you stuck your nose into it all on your own.

So go replace it, there is an edit button for a reason. Where do you see crying? You made an accusation, were told it was aimed at the wrong guy, dozens of posts later you finally admit it.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by valo403

LOL, wow. Deep breaths bro. Try reading back, not a thing you mentioned has been raised by me.

Agreed, I was responding to comments you made where I was discussing those points.

[Cowperson]

I'm pretty sure I bought one of those Volkswagon's as a used vehicle in the mid-1970's. Who knew?

Cowperson

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Just to be clear I believe the Holocaust should have as much attention as it does, I just believe there should be more attention to the other people who faced tragedy in WW2. There is a double standard when it comes to the West just look at the foreign policies of the Western powers. Genocide in Africa for over 50 years and we have done almost nothing about it. If it were white Christians down there getting killed, we would intervene lickity split.

You sound like we live in my old homeland (the USSR), and the government decides what movies are made or not made. If a movie studio thought it could make a profit with a movie about WW2 persecution of Gypsies or Serbs, they would make it. We live in a free country - go ahead and raise $50M and make a movie about Gypsies. It's all about dollars.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

You sound like we live in my old homeland (the USSR), and the government decides what movies are made or not made. If a movie studio thought it could make a profit with a movie about WW2 persecution of Gypsies or Serbs, they would make it. We live in a free country - go ahead and raise $50M and make a movie about Gypsies. It's all about dollars.

This is a ridiculous argument, at least for this conversation. Nobody is saying that there should be a bunch of movies being made about other atrocities, all anyone is saying is that it's too bad that the suffering of other groups seems to be forgotten by so many. I haven't seen a single person argue that Hollywood or anyone else is responsible for promoting the terrible fates of these other groups, people are simply pointing out that there are other victims to remember.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

You sound like we live in my old homeland (the USSR), and the government decides what movies are made or not made. If a movie studio thought it could make a profit with a movie about WW2 persecution of Gypsies or Serbs, they would make it. We live in a free country - go ahead and raise $50M and make a movie about Gypsies. It's all about dollars.

Yeah because that's what I am saying. I never once in this thread discussed movies. However what about publicly funded textbooks for schools? The massacres in Asia during WW2 probably get a paragraph when it deserves much more. The genocides in Africa don't get mentioned at all. But media wasn't even my point. I am just saying it's a shame those other atrocities get ignored.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Yeah because that's what I am saying. I never once in this thread discussed movies. However what about publicly funded textbooks for schools? The massacres in Asia during WW2 probably get a paragraph when it deserves much more. The genocides in Africa don't get mentioned at all. But media wasn't even my point. I am just saying it's a shame those other atrocities get ignored.

This is true. I remember that Social 20 and 30 were very heavy on the WWI and WWII material, but I really didn't learn much about all the genocide in Asia and Africa, and even about the Roma. It was mostly about the Jews, as far as mass murder was concerned. Kinda lopsided if you ask me.

[peter12]

Anyone in for a heavy, but very good philosophical analysis of the Nazi Regime and Hitler, I would highly recommend "Hitler and the Germans" by Eric Voegelin.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by valo403

This is a ridiculous argument, at least for this conversation. Nobody is saying that there should be a bunch of movies being made about other atrocities, all anyone is saying is that it's too bad that the suffering of other groups seems to be forgotten by so many. I haven't seen a single person argue that Hollywood or anyone else is responsible for promoting the terrible fates of these other groups, people are simply pointing out that there are other victims to remember.

That would also be because, until Rwanda, the Holocaust was the only instance of someone specifically targetting a racial group for extermination. The Gypsies, Poles, Russians, Chinese, Serbs, etc all suffered enormous losses, but were not specifically targeted for extermination - the Germans/Japanese/Croats treated them like inferior races, and killed them purposefully or by using them as slave labour, but there was no enunciated goal/policy of exterminating those races. The Jews and the Tutsis are alone I think in history as being victims of a planned extermination. The only other example I can even think of is the Carthaginians at the hands of the Romans in the Third Punic War, and that is doubtful.
I realize the degree of difference between the Holocaust and say Sarajevo might seem facetious to you, but the Jews and the Tutsis should stand out because those are the only istances where the machinery of a sovereign state was specifically geared to exterminating a people. And the fact that it could happen in the middle of "civilized" Europe in "civilized" times, and be perpetrated by one of the great "civilized" people is one reason it gets so much attention. I think you have to appreciate that there is a significant degree of difference between "I am going to treat you like garbage and hope you die" and "I am going to do everything in my power to kill you."
The final factor is that Jews as a cultural group happen to be successful people who have achieved stature in our society, and can ensure that their story gets told. The Chinese plight gets much more attention on that side of the world, and the Holocause gets no mention at all I am sure.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

That would also be because, until Rwanda, the Holocaust was the only instance of someone specifically targetting a racial group for extermination. The Gypsies, Poles, Russians, Chinese, Serbs, etc all suffered enormous losses, but were not specifically targeted for extermination - the Germans/Japanese/Croats treated them like inferior races, and killed them purposefully or by using them as slave labour, but there was no enunciated goal/policy of exterminating those races. The Jews and the Tutsis are alone I think in history as being victims of a planned extermination. The only other example I can even think of is the Carthaginians at the hands of the Romans in the Third Punic War, and that is doubtful.
I realize the degree of difference between the Holocaust and say Sarajevo might seem facetious to you, but the Jews and the Tutsis should stand out because those are the only istances where the machinery of a sovereign state was specifically geared to exterminating a people. And the fact that it could happen in the middle of "civilized" Europe in "civilized" times, and be perpetrated by one of the great "civilized" people is one reason it gets so much attention. I think you have to appreciate that there is a significant degree of difference between "I am going to treat you like garbage and hope you die" and "I am going to do everything in my power to kill you."
The final factor is that Jews as a cultural group happen to be successful people who have achieved stature in our society, and can ensure that their story gets told. The Chinese plight gets much more attention on that side of the world, and the Holocause gets no mention at all I am sure.

Native Americans?

[carom]

The Armenians sure think that the Ottoman Empire implemented a deliberate and systematic genocide around WWI.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by carom

The Armenians sure think that the Ottoman Empire implemented a deliberate and systematic genocide around WWI.

There's a ton of examples through history, which is sort of why I found Vlad's statement to the contrary a little confusing.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by nik-

Native Americans?

What about them? Was there a policy to exterminate them?