The IAAF Thread

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by GreaseIsTheWord@Feb 3 2005, 09:43 PM
here you go.

Excellent link.

There will be some people here not sleeping well for nights, considering they have a huge inferiority complex and are just filled with Jealousy

[GreaseIsTheWord]

We're also Canada's only Smart City.

I won't give you a link just google it.

[GreaseIsTheWord]

I like Calgary - it's nice. I just find it very boring. Edmonton feels more established and it's a great party city. Calgary's 'nightlife' leaves alot to be desired.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Feb 3 2005, 09:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Feb 3 2005, 09:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sundeep Malhi@Feb 3 2005, 08:34 PM
Like I said, there's NOTHING in Calgary that's comparable to West Edmonton Mall.

You are absolutely right.

The world's largest collection of dollar stores, dead dolphins and decapitating roller coasters isn't something I would shout from the rooftops if it was in my backyard.

Seriously man, it's a big shopping mall. Do you really think it's that great? Do you really think its something to hold up to the world and be proud of? We all take shots at each other's city but come on, it's just a mall. Edmonton, begrudgingly, has some other things to show off, but a suburban shopping mall is nothing special no matter how big it is. Every other city, Calgary included, has the same stores, the same crap, shopping malls, amusement parks, the same everything. Granted it's not all under one roof, but that doesn't make the mall a giant tourist bonanza.

That 20 million number, whether it's true or not, is pointless. How many visitors are Edmontonians going to it over and over because it's the closest mall? 19 million? At least.

It's a mall. [/b][/quote]
Seriously, how much more jealous can you get?

...and naive?

Yup, we have a couple of dollar stores at WEM. Does that represent the entire mall?

It's the World's largest Entertainment and Shopping Complex...damn right I'm proud of it. It's a Tourist Mall, and millions of people come to see it. Everyone in Canada knows about it.

Every other city has the World's largest Indoor Waterpark? Does Calgary even have a waterpark? Nope. Every other city has the World's largest Indoor Amusment park? Calloway Park isn't even close to being of Galaxyland, and is closed for most of the year. Not every other mall has skating arenas, nor do many cities have the stores and shops that are in West Edmonton Mall.

It's a tourist mall, people love it. I'm sorry that you don't like it after you've been there a dozen times.

I really think you should go back to grade school, and learn about good estimating. You really think that every Edmontonian went to WEM 19 times a year? Even 3 is on the high side.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi@Feb 3 2005, 10:53 PM
Excellent link.

There will be some people here not sleeping well for nights, considering they have a huge inferiority complex and are just filled with Jealousy

Rule of Thumb: Try and at least cite sources that have credibility on the topic and are related to the topic at hand. The Alberta Cancer Board for a question on Tourism? Where's your next source? Bazooka Joe because they might have read a report from Edmonton Tourism?

Next I suppose you'll break out the "Streets are Paved with Gold" diatribe against Calgary because the income of people here is higher..... haven't seen that for a couple of months around here at least.

[Thunderball]

Well... as far as I know... there's this thing called Mall of America thats now bigger than West Ed and probably has the same amenities as West Ed... so its not the only one.

Secondly... its a MALL... of course its gonna have at least 9 million people per year come through it... I bet if you checked an attendance estimate for Chinook Centre or TD/Eaton Centre, you'd get at least a few million too... I'm sure a city of Edmonton's size has people visiting it at least five times a year... especially the 250k who live within 20 mins of it, I bet they're there at least 10 or 15 times a year.

Thirdly... Calgary's airport gets about 3 times the traffic Edmonton's does, so tourism is clearly higher here, just people come to Calgary for more than Malls, maybe we're a gateway to Banff, but most people stop for at least a couple days before moving on.

Fourthly, Calgary and Edmonton's nightlives are almost identical... they have the same amount of districts and if I'm not mistaken, isn't there a Cowboys there too, and aren't most Edmonton bars owned by that odious Vickers guy.

Fifthly... when it comes to countries that actually spend money in Canada, Calgary is one of the big 4 in Canada, with Montreal, Vancouver and Toronto... granted we are #4, but its a start. The Winter Olympics were shown to nearly every country that would have interest in Canada.

And lastly... my favorite part of watching the World's was when one ABC announcer had the following conversation with the other:
Announcer #1: "So where is Edmonton anyway."
Announcer #2: "About 300km north of Calgary"
Announcer #1: "That's a great city"

I like Edmonton, I really do... I lived there for a couple years and go up every year for a while, but Calgary is the more cosmoplitan and prevalent city, period.

[GreaseIsTheWord]

I think the Cancer board has cred (ie. more than anything you have to offer) and you dismissing a board like that says more about you than I could.

and I couldn't give a flying fudge if Calgarys income level is higher. For all I know, you're typing from your double-wide trailer.

[GreaseIsTheWord]

I guarantee the Imperial Oil execs who were greeted by Calgary officials dressed head-to-toe in cowboy gear sure thought it was a 'cosmopolitan' image. Thats why Calgarians wear the name Cowtown on their sleeve, right? Because its cosmopolitan.

Calgary is definetely the more prevalent business city, and a stopoff for Banff, which explains the higher airport traffic. Either way, who cares? Edmonton on the other hand is the political & cultural centre. And I'm cool with that. Anyways I look forward to when tron comes back, he's the most balanced Flames fan here.

[stuckinchuck]

Well, for that 20 000 000 people at West Ed every year, apperently Chinook sees 18 000 000 . My Webpage

If you can go to the Cancer board for tourism info, why not the Calgary Police? By the way, i'm from Calgary, living in Edmonton, enjoy living here. Been here for 4 years now and whenever i go back to Calgary nobody asks me to bring home anything from the mall....because you can get anything here you can get there. As for the Designer clothing thing, a bunch of my female friends from around Alberta (not Calgary) love Chinook Centre because of some fancy pants store that i forget the name of (i must be one of the froot of the loom shirt wearers you were insulting).

Edited: 18 million doesn't equal 18 billion

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by GreaseIsTheWord@Feb 3 2005, 11:23 PM
I think the Cancer board has cred (ie. more than anything you have to offer) and you dismissing a board like that says more about you than I could.

and I couldn't give a flying fudge if Calgarys income level is higher. For all I know, you're typing from your double-wide trailer. Yee-haw!

Are you dense? I'm not attacking the ACB. I'm disputing the fact that you're relying on it for tourism numbers that it could not have internally generated. Think they'd spend money researching tourism instead of researching cancer?

Got to love how these two resort to playground insults when the chips are down. Must be all that "Culture".

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by GreaseIsTheWord@Feb 3 2005, 10:31 PM
I guarantee the Imperial Oil execs who were greeted by Calgary officials dressed head-to-toe in cowboy gear sure thought it was a 'cosmopolitan' image. Thats why Calgarians wear the name Cowtown on their sleeve, right? Because its cosmopolitan.

Its called a tradition, and its nice to have them... cities like Paris, Tokyo, Shanghai, London, etc. also have "hokey" traditions in their cities, and I wouldn't dare call any of them anything less than cosmpolitan.

Our history is in ranching, farming, and general Cowboy behavior... and if I'm not mistaken, its something Edmonton tried to capitalize on with their bas**rdization of the white hatting, the "black hatting"

Political advantage is obvious, though a lot of major speeches are made at Calgary's McDougall Centre... but the cultural advantage is ambiguous, especially coming from a city who heralds a mall. Both cities have festivals, rodeos, film festivals, night scenes, etc... I'd say its a draw there... and thats being very charitable. Business, is clearly Calgary, but that one we already established.

And as for the Cowtown label, I don't think anyone parades that, just like Toronto doesn't exactly parade the name Hogtown, even though its been frequently used.

[GreaseIsTheWord]

You're one to talk Hulse. Especially after calling me 'dense'.

I know it doesn't shows the numbers. It says it's Albertas biggest tourism spot does it not? So while you're backtracking and not attacking the ACB, you now proclaim that its the numbers you're whining about, not its cred. I've heard numbers ranging from 9 million to 22 million. The fact that its Albertas if not Western Canada's #1 tourist spot is good enough for me.

And as for whoever said alot of the people who go to WEM are from the city, the same could be said for your rodeo.

[calf]

Originally posted by GreaseIsTheWord@Feb 3 2005, 10:31 PM
I guarantee the Imperial Oil execs who were greeted by Calgary officials dressed head-to-toe in cowboy gear sure thought it was a 'cosmopolitan' image. Thats why Calgarians wear the name Cowtown on their sleeve, right? Because its cosmopolitan.

Calgary is definetely the more prevalent business city, and a stopoff for Banff, which explains the higher airport traffic. Either way, who cares? Edmonton on the other hand is the political & cultural centre. And I'm cool with that. Anyways I look forward to when tron comes back, he's the most balanced Flames fan here.

The Cowtown image is more of a characature than anything else, imho (I'm sure you knew that, you seem like a reasonable guy). It's something that's brought out for special occasions/to have a little bit of fun

I'll speak for myself - the whole rivalry thing and the Edmonton bashing - also a characature. Definately not how I really feel, just having a little bit of fun. In all honesty I don't have that much of a hate-on for Edmonton...my mom's from there, and still have a bunch of family there, and it's really not THAT bad. Stayed at a really nice hotel w/ a great restaurant there too. But I do hate that mall.

But I don't like the way Sundeep's getting all "Edmonton rules, Calgary blows" on a Calgary focused board - I find it quite insulting when he, in all honesty/appearances, isn't adding anything else to the board but that.

Finally - each city has its good points and not so good points and I like your reasonableness GITW. You said it best that CGY is the business centre, EDM is political/cultural centre. I too am cool with that - different strokes right?

But yea, who cares? I'm looking forward to Sundeep coming back to all these cooler heads starting to prevail :P ...edit: I spoke too soon.

[GreaseIsTheWord]

Culturally, Edmonton has the market cornered here. Period. We have world-class theatres, over 30 festivals year round, and the interest to back it up.

It would be foolish to try to say Edmonton's business community can hold a candle to Calgary's, just like it would be foolish to say Calgary's culture scene is anything but dismal compared to ours.

[KevanGuy]

My company works for arts organizations in Calgary and Edmonton and it is a fact that it is more difficult to sell subscriptions in Edmonton. It is also a fact that during our canvassing for charities that the response rate and average gift is greater in Calgary. Take it for what its worth.

[calf]

Originally posted by KevanGuy@Feb 3 2005, 11:10 PM
My company works for arts organizations in Calgary and Edmonton and it is a fact that it is more difficult to sell subscriptions in Edmonton. It is also a fact that during our canvassing for charities that the response rate and average gift is greater in Calgary. Take it for what its worth.

got a link for that? :P (had to do it)


interesting none the less though. Subscriptions though? Like seasons/game packs to the symphony and ballet etc?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Sundeep Malhi@Feb 3 2005, 09:59 PM

I really think you should go back to grade school, and learn about good estimating. You really think that every Edmontonian went to WEM 19 times a year? Even 3 is on the high side.

Okay maybe Edmontonians only visit the mall 3 times a year. We agree for the time being.

That means 17 million tourists visit the mall every year, which in turn means that nearly 47 thousand tourists visit WEM every single day. Almost 1.5 million visitors per month.

Roughly equal to the combined annual attendance at The Louvre and Disneyland. Not bad.

With that kind of traffic you'd think Edmonton would have an international airport.

[KevanGuy]

Originally posted by calf+Feb 3 2005, 11:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calf @ Feb 3 2005, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-KevanGuy@Feb 3 2005, 11:10 PM
My company works for arts organizations in Calgary and Edmonton and it is a fact that it is more difficult to sell subscriptions in Edmonton. It is also a fact that during our canvassing for charities that the response rate and average gift is greater in Calgary. Take it for what its worth.

got a link for that? :P (had to do it)


interesting none the less though. Subscriptions though? Like seasons/game packs to the symphony and ballet etc? [/b][/quote]
Game packs, lol. Yes, subscriptions to stuff like the Ballet.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+Feb 3 2005, 11:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ Feb 3 2005, 11:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sundeep Malhi@Feb 3 2005, 09:59 PM

I really think you should go back to grade school, and learn about good estimating.# You really think that every Edmontonian went to WEM 19 times a year?# Even 3 is on the high side.

Okay maybe Edmontonians only visit the mall 3 times a year. We agree for the time being.

That means 17 million tourists visit the mall every year, which in turn means that nearly 47 thousand tourists visit WEM every single day. Almost 1.5 million visitors per month.

Roughly equal to the combined annual attendance at The Louvre and Disneyland. Not bad.

With that kind of traffic you'd think Edmonton would have an international airport. [/b][/quote]
Okay, maybe you got me there.

We'll settle at 10 million per year, as shown on the Economics Edmonton website.

Travel Alberta still markets WEM as Alberta's biggest tourist attraction.

Good enough for me.

[An Old Edmonton Poster]

Originally posted by calf@Feb 3 2005, 10:49 PM
But I don't like the way Sundeep's getting all "Edmonton rules, Calgary blows" on a Calgary focused board - I find it quite insulting when he, in all honesty/appearances, isn't adding anything else to the board but that.

I kept quiet for long enough.

It was only a matter of time when I stepped up and defended my city.

Just go back to the topic I first responded...

Countless times has the term ''Greasers'' been used on this board. You see that immaturity on Oilers boards?

There has always been an inferiority complex on this site. Continously bashing Edmonton, the city, and the people.

Again, do you see that on an Oilers board?

No. Edmontonians take it as a good natured rivalry. MANY people on this board try to identify, compare, and insult/bash Edmonton every chance they get.

Now I do know how hard it was for Jealous Flames fans sto wallow and watch the Oilers inside the playoffs, while the Flames were always on the outside looking in. I really sympathize you.

Problem is, many Flames fans, instead of focusing on how to make their team better, tried to take shots at Edmontonians and their city to make themselves feel good.