Heath Ledger dead! holy.

[BlackArcher101]

Looks like accidental OD.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article...94165&GT1=7701

[transplant99]

The lack of a note doesn't mean that there wasn't a suicide plan, actually if memory serves me correct the vast majority of people who attempt to commit suicide don't leave a note.

I have NO idea if this is factual or not, but I really doubt it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

In a thread full of ridiculous hopes and wishes for other people to die, I am biting my tongue hard to not wish death on the Phelps family. They are some of the most despicable people who currently roam this world.

I nearly had it in my post as well. Very hard to take the high road when they are involved.

[sadora]

He was a rising star who was starting to show just how talented he was. His various roles, specially those in Brokeback Mountain and I'm Not There, showed the kind of talent reminiscent of a young Brando. RIP Heath!

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have NO idea if this is factual or not, but I really doubt it.

I do too, but that's just personal intuition.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have NO idea if this is factual or not, but I really doubt it.

Mean Mr. Mustard is right.

From Wikipedia

"A suicide note is a message left by someone who later attempts or commits suicide. It is estimated that 12-20% of suicides are accompanied by a note.[1] However, incidence rates may depend on ethnicity, method of suicide, and cultural differences and may reach rates as high as 50% in certain demographics."

I've seen figures in a couple places that about one third of the suicides in the U.S. are accompanied by note.

[Superflyer]

So now the idiots are the radical Baptist church are going to protest at Heath's funeral because he played a gay person in Brokeback Mountain and this how God is getting back at him. These are the same idiots that protest at the funerals of soldiers that have been killed in the "war" in Iraq.
I cannot believe these idiots can stoop this low, and idiots is just my way of being nice since this is a public forum.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22813570/?GT1=10755

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Didn't see it posted, but Fox news John Gibson, on his radio show was making fun of Heath and said some pretty distasteful stuff on the air on his show.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/23/...-mocks-ledger/

[TheDragon]

Well, true colors are shown. I wonder if the church will be doing the same for Robin Williams when he passes away because of his role in The Birdcage, or Tom Hanks for his role in Philadelphia?

Nevertheless, I highly doubt anybody in Heath's circle of family and friends are going to boycott his funeral because of a character he played in a movie, led alone because of some corrupt community of intolerant weasels.

[J pold]

Ahh yes the Westboro Baptist Church…some of the worst people on the face of the earth

[DESS]

I think it's a good thing there is all this media attention around Heath Ledger's death and that ordinary people care so much. It means nothing of any real importance is happening in the world, well, that people aren't already tired of anyway (e.g. Iraq).

But let's be honest, in the big scheme of things some rich and famous 28 year old dying of a drug overdose is about as low as it gets in terms of importance in the lives of any of us.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by DESS

I think it's a good thing there is all this media attention around Heath Ledger's death and that ordinary people care so much. It means nothing of any real importance is happening in the world, well, that people aren't already tired of anyway (e.g. Iraq).

But let's be honest, in the big scheme of things some rich and famous 28 year old dying of a drug overdose is about as low as it gets in terms of importance in the lives of any of us.

Exactly.

If any random person ODs most people probably look down upon them, but a guy who made a few movies deserves an outpouring of sympathy?

[Claeren]

Well if it proves to be an accident then you are talking about a very talented young artist dying in their prime. I do not see how people are not justified in caring about that the same way they would if any world class talent died??


I think that if it was an actual OD (whether suicide or due to illegal drugs) then it is a different story, and i think a lot less people will care.

But it has hardly been shown it was anything but an accidental OD, outside of a few unfounded articles.



Claeren.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by Claeren

But it has hardly been shown it was anything but an accidental OD, outside of a few unfounded articles.

Coupled with pneumonia and depression - two things I am all too familiar with. And, for what it's worth, it was an accidental OD on prescription drugs, not illicit ones.

[DESS]

Originally Posted by Claeren

Well if it proves to be an accident then you are talking about a very talented young artist dying in their prime. I do not see how people are not justified in caring about that the same way they would if any world class talent died??


I think that if it was an actual OD (whether suicide or due to illegal drugs) then it is a different story, and i think a lot less people will care.

But it has hardly been shown it was anything but an accidental OD, outside of a few unfounded articles.

Claeren.

But seriously, how much proof do you need? It's not like the public is the supreme court or something. I find it odd how people always wait for the experts to tell us what really happened. I mean the guy was laying on his bed in a pile of pills, he is 28 years old and looked reasonably healthy. Do you think he had a heart attack from eating too many french fries? Dude, it was an OD and whether accidental or not, it just goes to show how nothing that crazy is going on in the world if this is what is dominating news coverage.

Sure it's sad, but it's certainly not front page of the Herald sad. I've heard way more about this from everybody than that lady who was killed getting off the LRT. There is a killer on the loose in Calgary and Calgarians are worried about Heath Ledger. It's bizarre.

[SarichFan]

Originally Posted by JayP

Exactly.

If any random person ODs most people probably look down upon them, but a guy who made a few movies deserves an outpouring of sympathy?

It's not hard to figure out, He's an actor, an artist and one way or another made an impact on alot of people world wide.

Of course it'll get more attention than a random person nobody knows..

That's like saying John Lennon's murder shouldn't be taken any different than any other guy who was shot in cold blood..

Nonsense.

[DESS]

I agree with all that you are saying, fotze. My point is the fact that this gets so much attention means nothing new that is actually bad is happening right now. That's good. You can bet if Israel was attacking something or terrorists were blowing themselves up in the States, nobody would care about HL because it is actually completely inconsequential compared to what can/should make the front page.

[Prototype]

Originally Posted by DESS

I mean the guy was laying on his bed in a pile of pills, he is 28 years old and looked reasonably healthy.

I completely understand your point about how this story may be getting more headlines than it deserves. I'm not disagreeing with that one bit.

But do we know for sure that he was laying in a 'pile of pills', or in a bed, with pills near by? You can have your opinion that you think it was an OD, based on the information that's been released, but I would have thought that if they had all the prescriptions handy, they would have been able to determin that it was in fact an OD at the autopsy. Because it's inconclusive, I am not jumping to conclusions. It's a possibility, but I'm also not losing sleep on how he died.

The other side of the coin is that I felt remorse right away for Chris Benoit when I heard he died. The more information came out, I hated myself for the remorse I spent on him. The more information helps people make a decision on how to feel.

Again, is Heath more deserving than someone here in our city who didn't make an impact in the public eye? No, not as far as I'm concerned. But the fact of the matter is people want to express themselves, and they should be able to do so in a manner they see fit, just like you have your opinions, regardless if it's OD, suicide, etc.

Some people don't care, and that's their perogitive. Some people will be going Chris Crocker on the situation and make it bigger than it's deserving IMO. I can't do anything about that.

If there's one thing I've noticed about CP, and I'm guilty of it too, is people are starting to not be alowed by the community on this forum to have an opinion, and that bothers me. People should be able to state their opionion without any disregard for their opinion, which is what I'm trying to do with this post.

You're entitled to your opinion, let us be entitled to ours.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by SarichFan

It's not hard to figure out, He's an actor, an artist and one way or another made an impact on alot of people world wide.

Of course it'll get more attention than a random person nobody knows..

That's like saying John Lennon's murder shouldn't be taken any different than any other guy who was shot in cold blood..

Nonsense.

Way to take what I said way out of context.

Tell me why Heath Ledger deserves sympathy (not attention) for his death when any other person who overdoses is generally looked down upon.

Of course Ledger's death is big news. That doesn't mean he deserves different judgement than the guy who overdoses down the street.

And to compare John Lennon to some random actor is what's truly nonsense.

[Hack&Lube]

wrong thread...