"Anti-US"

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I am close to 41 years old. I doubt if they would have a need for me.

Also, if you are implying that we should respond by killing all Muslim, I disagree. What the powers within our governments need to do is recognize the threat and act accordingly. An example would be Lebanon. The war should continue until all the rockets and launchers have been destroyed along with those who man them. Iran needs to have their Nuclear capabilities destroyed before they are at a point where they can use them. Also, in our countries Muslims should continue to be watched.

Don't let that stop you! The US Army, is accepting people 42 years of age and under!

Enlist while you still can!

hell, they NEED you!

Spara attributed the Army's success to several steps taken to boost recruiting, including monetary enlistment incentives, raising the enlistment age limit to a person's 42nd birthday, adding recruiters, and relaxing a ban on certain types of tattoos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...081001184.html

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The French Foreign Legion dosen't care about age. They'll take anyone that can get to Paris who is in generally good health

They'll even give you a whole new identity if you're on the lam.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I am close to 41 years old. I doubt if they would have a need for me.

Also, if you are implying that we should respond by killing all Muslim, I disagree. What the powers within our governments need to do is recognize the threat and act accordingly. An example would be Lebanon. The war should continue until all the rockets and launchers have been destroyed along with those who man them. Iran needs to have their Nuclear capabilities destroyed before they are at a point where they can use them. Also, in our countries Muslims should continue to be watched.

You can always hire on with Haliburton or one of it's subcontractors. Think of the adventure. You would be still contributing and hopefully for you, you won't be kidnapped or worse. Wear your Canadian flag.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I don't recall saying I was. I said movies tend to romantacize US involvement in WWII. Azure got confused and started posting nonsense in response.

Yep, deny it once again that you told me to look at movies as a source of the 'romanticizing' you were talking about, but then you turned around and told me not to look at movies for my source of information.

Just great...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Using your age as a cop-out is pretty weak. 41 isn't that old. There are players in the NHL older than you. Seems to me that if you really believe the heathen hordes are looking to kill you and take over the world, you wouldn't let a silly thing like your age stop you from fighting back.

I'm a little long-in-the-tooth for military service myself, but if I honestly believed that some religious lunatics of any denomination were cooking up a plot to take over the world and convert or kill me, I'd do something about it. Only a coward would sit idly by in the face of such danger, no matter how old he is.

Players in the NHL are hardly a good comparison to people who run around dodging bullets.

Maybe I would take you more seriously if you wouldn't be so demeaning and insulting to people you disagree with.

Have you ever served in the military?

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Do you bring out and make vocal those policies that you agree with?

If there is nothing that you agree with, you are anti-US.



Those that agree with the US on some of their policies are immediately labeled "pro-US" or "neocon" or something similar.

Just as no country... no government... no person has all positive ideas or policies, no country/government/person has all negative ideas or policies either.

If you blindly follow or blindly criticize, no matter what the subject, you deserve to be labeled.

Yes, I do make vocal the positive American policies. For example, I think that tax rebates for people who buy hybrid vehicles is great. It's just too bad that you have to have a decent amount of money to buy a hybrid vehicle in the first place... The Canadian tax credit for public transportation is probably a little more efficient as people who use transit probably need the money more and are doing more for climate change on their behalf.

If you agree with most of the U.S. policies, you are probably a neo-con, as many of their policies are neo-conservative. This isn't name calling, this is an ideological categorization. I actually prefer "fascist"...

I agree with you that no person or government has all positive or negative ideas, therefor if I question some of the U.S. administration's policies, this should not be considered "anti-U.S." - by your own definition. When NO ONE questions government, be it their own or another, THAT'S when trouble starts. I am sure you are familiar with the Chinese and their treatment of Falun Gong practiconers, and the classic example of Hitler.

I have a degree in International Relations, which does not make me an expert by any means on American policy, but it sure does not mean I am blindly criticising American policies. It would appear that you are the one blindly labeling me as ignorant to the facts.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Players in the NHL are hardly a good comparison to people who run around dodging bullets.

I'm really surprised you missed a fairly obvious point. You are usually so observant.

Originally Posted by Azure

Maybe I would take you more seriously if you wouldn't be so demeaning and insulting to people you disagree with.

Maybe. Let me know when you take me more seriously and I'll PM you with a message about how good I feel.

Originally Posted by Azure

Have you ever served in the military?

No. Have you?

[Azure]

I'm really surprised you missed a fairly obvious point. You are usually so observant.

Thanks for that....

Maybe. Let me know when you take me more seriously and I'll PM you with a message about how good I feel.

Anytime...

No. Have you?

You were the one criticizing people for their 'lack' of military service...not me.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Thanks for that....



Anytime...



You were the one criticizing people for their 'lack' of military service...not me.

I wasn't criticizing, I was offering advice. If he believes that the heathen Muslim masses are plotting to take over the world and kill all of us blue-eyed *******s, then I say he should sign up and head for the front. What's wrong with that?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I wasn't criticizing, I was offering advice. If he believes that the heathen Muslim masses are plotting to take over the world and kill all of us blue-eyed *******s, then I say he should sign up and head for the front. What's wrong with that?

Considering his age, I would at least give him the benefit of the doubt for not joining. And not go about in demeaning ways that provide only insult, not insight.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yep, deny it once again that you told me to look at movies as a source of the 'romanticizing' you were talking about, but then you turned around and told me not to look at movies for my source of information.

Just great...

Yes, I told you to look at movies as examples of US romantacizing its history of WWII. Yes, I told you not to use movies as a source for real information. Those two things are not contradictory. I'm beginning to think you're slow or something, or somehow rating yourself based on post count, rather than quality. I'm surprised you don't see the congruency in those two statements.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Yes, I told you to look at movies as examples of US romantacizing its history of WWII. Yes, I told you not to use movies as a source for real information. Those two things are not contradictory. I'm beginning to think you're slow or something, or somehow rating yourself based on post count, rather than quality. I'm surprised you don't see the congruency in those two statements.

In other words, you only use movies when they benefit your cause.

No need to respond, we obviously aren't getting anywhere.

[Flames in 07]

If only things were as simple as "this side is right and that side is wrong". I don't know every single detail about the conflicts in the middle east, but I do know that as long as everyone thinks that its about one side being right and everyone else needs to understand what I'm telling you as I pound it down your throat; not much is going to change. And in fact will continue to deteriorate.

This is my first time posting here in quite awhile, but one of the most inaccurate things I have ever seen is redman informing me that there is no oil in New Orleans. Redman, go do a little homework on where the major reserves are in North America, and once you find out how wrong you are, I'd suggest thinking real hard about what you say, and how much faith you have in what you "know".

Lanny, I've seen you many times in different ways look to dismiss or discredit people because they simply will not listen to anything that contradicts their own beliefs. It's human nature to be that way I suppose, but I gotta tell ya, very few are more guilty of ignoring arguements that don't line up nicely with existing beliefs than you.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Azure

In other words, you only use movies when they benefit your cause.

No need to respond, we obviously aren't getting anywhere.

if this wasn't so sad, I'd laugh.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

In other words, you only use movies when they benefit your cause.

No need to respond, we obviously aren't getting anywhere.

You seriously don't see how those two statements are entirely and obviously compatible?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You seriously don't see how those two statements are entirely and obviously compatible?

Not really, considering you mix 'Band of Brothers' 'Saving Private Ryan' and 'US history books" into the same boat.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Not really, considering you mix 'Band of Brothers' 'Saving Private Ryan' and 'US history books" into the same boat.

??? Wow. Even for you, thats a shift of topic that is totally incoherent.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Using your age as a cop-out is pretty weak. 41 isn't that old. There are players in the NHL older than you. Seems to me that if you really believe the heathen hordes are looking to kill you and take over the world, you wouldn't let a silly thing like your age stop you from fighting back.

I'm a little long-in-the-tooth for military service myself, but if I honestly believed that some religious lunatics of any denomination were cooking up a plot to take over the world and convert or kill me, I'd do something about it. Only a coward would sit idly by in the face of such danger, no matter how old he is.

The fact is that Islam enlarges itself by conquest. History and current conflicts confirm this.

My solution isn't to send myself or my sons off on a Holy war. As I have said we need to recognize the motive behind their hatred and respond to it in a logical manner. It would be immoral to kill every Muslim who held their traditional view of the world. It is also hard to change a persons beliefs.

The logical solution is to not allow countries like Iran to gain the ability to harm us. Likewise when a terrorist group attacks like Hezbolah the response must be swift and deadly. Israel shouldn't stop until there are no rockets left in Lebanon. The Islamic world should not be able to claim any victories without also seeing a devastating cost. Lastly, we should use whatever economic and political pressure we can to encourage these countries to move to wards freedom of religion and speech. Free and open dialogue is the only way to reach men's hearts.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

Have you ever served in the military?

I think you have lost the right to play that card, or any other related to that fact, since you outted yourself as the snot nosed little high school puke I had originally deduced you were. If you are so enamored with the military, and all its benefits, buck up and enlist. I understand the Canadian military could use a few bodies in Afghanistan, especially ones that are sooooo devoted and believe so deeply in the cause.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The fact is that Islam enlarges itself by conquest. History and current conflicts confirm this.

My solution isn't to send myself or my sons off on a Holy war. As I have said we need to recognize the motive behind their hatred and respond to it in a logical manner. It would be immoral to kill every Muslim who held their traditional view of the world. It is also hard to change a persons beliefs.

The logical solution is to not allow countries like Iran to gain the ability to harm us. Likewise when a terrorist group attacks like Hezbolah the response must be swift and deadly. Israel shouldn't stop until there are no rockets left in Lebanon. The Islamic world should not be able to claim any victories without also seeing a devastating cost. Lastly, we should use whatever economic and political pressure we can to encourage these countries to move to wards freedom of religion and speech. Free and open dialogue is the only way to reach men's hearts.

Oh thats bright.

So they should just keep bombing and bombing the sh*t out of innocent people and their homes just on the off chance their might be a few rockets destroyed in the process?

As for "these countries" what countries are you talking about? Maybe you dont know much about the middle east or Lebanon in general but it happens to be a free Democratic country. When you say freedom of religion i know what your getting at though. You dont believe that Islam is a legitimate religion and it should be christianity or bust right? I've got news for you pal 30% of Lebanese citizens ARE Christians.

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQ...banonIndex.htm

You call that no religous freedom?

I have read this thread and I know your just skirting around the fact that you do in fact believe Islam in its entirty is wrong and that Isreal should "keep going". Try looking at things from both sides before jumping to rash generalizations.