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Inferno · 08-25-2006, 05:25 PM

My buddy is a Nintendo fan and was going to get a Wii until he saw the controller. Like me he'd feel stupid waving a controller around so he's just going to stick with PC. But the controller isnt really the reason why I'm not interested in the Wii. It's the game selection.

JimmytheT · 08-25-2006, 07:51 PM

Personally I cannot wait for the Wii:

I'd be willing to play a console FPS like this (the guy acting in it is a little lame):

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...+Wii+Red+Steel

And c'mon Inferno, you don't have to be a child to appreciate Zelda games, they are some of the best all time (video has poor sound quality):

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...endo+Wii+Zelda

I also found this 5 minute montage:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...q=Nintendo+Wii

I love the innovation and the games look like they are lots of fun. Not to mention you will be able to play Gamecube games, backwards compatible and be able to download every NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, and Turbo Graphix 16 game ever made.

Plus Sony can go to hell if they wants me to pay $500-$700 for their console.

At a $250-$300 price tag, I can have both the Wii and an Xbox 360 for the price of one PS3.

I prefer the console that is fun and a good price and at this time, Sony is not winning me over. I thought the PS2 was a good system, but the PS3 is going to be the same as a PS2 with better graphics.

Inferno · 08-25-2006, 09:57 PM

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And c'mon Inferno, you don't have to be a child to appreciate Zelda games, they are some of the best all time (video has poor sound quality):

You dont have to be but Zelda just doesnt do it for me anymore just like Mario games. I'm not into the whole fantasy adventure genre in general for any system.

Coelah · 08-26-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

Screw warrenties. My first 360 has problems with the disk drive, I took it back and got one that hasn't had any issues at all. I also bought the 1 year Replacement plan, in a year I can step on it and get a new machine right on the spot.

Totally worth the $50 IMO. No need to worry about getting a refurbished machine, shipping it out, waiting for it to be returned, ect...

Was that through the store you bought it from or a credit card?

Pretty good deal. I think MS's costs 60 bucks for 2 years. But like you said, it is a pain shipping it out to get replaced and you don't know if they'll fix yours, replace it with a refurbished box or give you a new one.

Inferno · 08-26-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coelah

Was that through the store you bought it from or a credit card?

Pretty good deal. I think MS's costs 60 bucks for 2 years. But like you said, it is a pain shipping it out to get replaced and you don't know if they'll fix yours, replace it with a refurbished box or give you a new one.

I orignally bought the 3 year warranty at Futureshop but after reading some of the horror stories about their 360 warranty I decided to cancel before the 30 days to cancel came up and got the Microsoft warranty for the same price per year.

The thing I like about Microsoft's warranty is I can have it under warranty for as long as I have it unlike Futureshop where once the three years is up that's it. I know that chances are if I take good care of it I may never have to send it in but it's nice to have some security in case it does happen to die one day. Either way I would be sending it out to get fixed/replaced so that part doesnt concern me.

ernie · 11-06-2006, 12:09 PM

Well the day draws near and I don't see nearly the hype the 360 had. Also news like this doesn't really help Sony much in the gaming department:

"The 360 and the PS3 are equal in power in my eyes," Dyack says. "Maybe the PS3 has more processing power. The 360 has more available memory. It's pretty much a net, net. The public perception of the PS3 was that it was much more powerful. To developers, they look even."

from http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/744/744008p1.html

It will be really obvious when games of the same name caome out for both machines at the same time and have identical gaming content. For gaming, if given the choice between two machines of equal power you have to imagine most will go with the cheaper one. Especially when one will be in short supply.

So Sony is really counting on name and exclusives in the gaming department. They are also counting on having a cheap Blu-Ray help move consoles as well. But i still have to question the quality of that Blu-ray drive when you can't buy a stand alone one for the price of a PS3 which has so many more components to it.

nfotiu · 11-06-2006, 01:04 PM

Sounds like the same problem they have competing with HD DVD. Blu Ray has slightly better specs, but no actual advantage in sound or picture quality. And their players are 2 to 3 times as expensive.

Sony has so far dropped the ball at every turn in the bluray-PS3 campaign. The only thing saving the format so far is the other companies and studios have stepped up and actually delivered players and movies. Sony studios has released fewer movies in blu-ray than any of the other studios have in whichever format they support. The movies they have released have had the worst PQ of all the next generation discs.

AFireInside · 11-06-2006, 01:43 PM

Some people were asking if Sony would have an advantage coming out a year later.. Here is an article from a game developer...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/744/744008p1.html

Igottago · 11-06-2006, 02:11 PM

The PS3 looks like an amazing machine. And it may well be a bit more powerful than the 360. But at the end of the day, the games coming up for 360 look way better than anything the PS3 seems to be gearing up for. I probably won't get any machine until next year, but 360 seems more appealing to me at this point. They just need to make a black one.

Robbob · 11-06-2006, 02:18 PM

what sold me on the Xbox360 was the fact that they released sports games on it. The only thing I really like about playstation is their rights to teh final fantasy series. Who knows how exclusive it will be in the future with final fantasy 11 on the xbox already.

Mr.Coffee · 11-06-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

The PS3 looks like an amazing machine. And it may well be a bit more powerful than the 360. But at the end of the day, the games coming up for 360 look way better than anything the PS3 seems to be gearing up for. I probably won't get any machine until next year, but 360 seems more appealing to me at this point. They just need to make a black one.

I think you can get faceplates and stuff to change the look, but that might only be for the front of the machine.

I myself, am awaiting the Nintendo now. I decided pretty much today. That is of course pending money but you know... lots of reasons why to go with Nintendo. Looks like a fun machine. Smash bros?!

Even that new marvel game is coming out on it. Sounds good to me.

Hakan · 11-06-2006, 02:30 PM

Super swing golf for the Wii looks fantastic.

Bobblehead · 11-06-2006, 02:32 PM

It all comes down to the games. I still enjoy my PS2 (just finished God of War a few weeks ago). While the graphics are important, Sony has done too many things to alienate me as a consumer to make me willing to fight to give them my money. I'm going to continue holding off for a while.

CubicleGeek · 11-06-2006, 04:09 PM

If the XBox360 launch is any indication of what quality expectations there are for the next generation consoles, I'm probably going to wait for the 2nd or 3rd batch before jumping on the PS3 bandwagon. The first generation 360 had a notoriously high defect rate and they used off-the-shelf parts as opposed to Sony's relatively new Cell processor and Blu-Ray player.

However, as long as Sony has Gran Turismo, they'll get my money.

ernie · 11-07-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CubicleGeek

If the XBox360 launch is any indication of what quality expectations there are for the next generation consoles, I'm probably going to wait for the 2nd or 3rd batch before jumping on the PS3 bandwagon. The first generation 360 had a notoriously high defect rate and they used off-the-shelf parts as opposed to Sony's relatively new Cell processor and Blu-Ray player.

However, as long as Sony has Gran Turismo, they'll get my money.

The first batch of 360's had a lower defect rate than the industry average for electronics. There were a few problems that were greatly blown out of proportion.

Have fun with Gran Turismo HD. Rumours are it will cost you somwhere between $400-$1000 to actually play the entire games with all the tracks and all the cars. The initial purchase of the game is apparently just a bare bones version.

Bobblehead · 11-07-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ernie

Have fun with Gran Turismo HD. Rumours are it will cost you somwhere between $400-$1000 to actually play the entire games with all the tracks and all the cars. The initial purchase of the game is apparently just a bare bones version.

I'm think that is going to become more common. As consoles become more networked it becomes easier for companies to get a game out at a lower price, then sell additional cars, tracks, maps, units, campaigns, weapons, rosters, functionality, etc.

Expansion packs will become the norm.

At least that is my guess.

ernie · 11-07-2006, 10:08 AM

And this is what the PS3 is up against on launch day: Gears of War. Almost universal praise as being the best looking console game ever. And visuals/sound/gameplay that exceeds any of the PS3 launch titles from all accounts.

9.6/10 from gamespot and 9.4/10 from IGN. Sets the bar for every console game to follow.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/acti...ew.html?page=1

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/744/744356p1.html

I-Hate-Hulse · 11-07-2006, 10:46 AM

I'm anxiously following the progress of these consoles and a big factor will be: What console gives me "different" games? By that I mean how so many of them seem to be just new versions of 3d shooters with more eye candy (ie Call of Duty). Gameplay on those hasn't changed much since Wolfenstein. I find myself attracted to the innovative games that are truly different, like the 1st GTA, or even a Crimson Skies that aren't like stuff I've played before. The Wii seems like the console most likely to deliver this.

That said, I'll still probably get an X360 once the prices come down too. Can't pass up some of those NHL games....

ernie · 11-07-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I'm anxiously following the progress of these consoles and a big factor will be: What console gives me "different" games? By that I mean how so many of them seem to be just new versions of 3d shooters with more eye candy (ie Call of Duty). Gameplay on those hasn't changed much since Wolfenstein. I find myself attracted to the innovative games that are truly different, like the 1st GTA, or even a Crimson Skies that aren't like stuff I've played before. The Wii seems like the console most likely to deliver this.

That said, I'll still probably get an X360 once the prices come down too. Can't pass up some of those NHL games....

I hear ya. Though Gears of War is supposed to do some of that. From what I've seen and read some very nice new innovative gameplay and great camera work.

Loved Crimson Skies as well. With the exception of GTA probably my favourite Xbox game.

CubicleGeek · 11-07-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ernie

The first batch of 360's had a lower defect rate than the industry average for electronics. There were a few problems that were greatly blown out of proportion.

Have fun with Gran Turismo HD. Rumours are it will cost you somwhere between $400-$1000 to actually play the entire games with all the tracks and all the cars. The initial purchase of the game is apparently just a bare bones version.

No, not true, they originally said they were in-line with the "industry standard" defect rate of 3-5%. That is the PC industry standard, which is notoriously high due to the sheer number of different components and manufacturers. Other consumer devices are under 1%. In other consumer devices, I mean DVD players, TVs, and etc. Even Apple PCs are under 1%, but they are a closed architecture, which makes it easier to ensure QA. Because the 360 is also closed architecture, they shouldn't be comparing themselves against a PC anyways.

They came out in September and admitted that the first launch 360's were actually "higher than usual" (higher than the 3-5% originally quoted) and were willing to extend the warranty for those units beyond the 90 day.

The "higher than usual" defect rate is becoming an alarming trend as things become more complex and manufacturers try to rush things out to market and QA goes out the window. The PSP also had a notoriously high defect rate with their screens. Apparently poor QA by Sharp in their first batch yielded a very high number of screens with > 3 dead pixels and in many cases dust between the LCD and protector.

As for GT HD, rumors remain rumors until it actually comes out. I doubt they will come with nothing other than a game engine and charge you on a per car and per track basis. More than likely, they'll have a couple hundred cars and a dozen or so tracks (similar to GT3, which had the smallest number of both out of all the GT games) and charge you more for additional cars. GT3 still had more cars than any other game released by any other company. I'd be willing to pay a reasonable premium to get more cars and more tracks. This model would be no different than the PGR packs released on XBox Live!.