[Rumour] Dailyfaceoff: Flames might go big game hunting this summer

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Murph

RFA’s as well. I’d be offer sheeting Knies.

How good is knies on team/line without the likes of marner/matthews/nylander/tavares though?

[Murph]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

How good is knies on team/line without the likes of marner/matthews/nylander/tavares though?

In most of the Leafs playoff games I’ve watched (all of them, don’t hate me), he looks to me to be driving play. Bear in mind, I don’t really know what I’m talking about.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Marner scores Stanley Cup winning goal this year vs the Oilers; comes to Calgary a hero.
Yes, the Leafs win it, but Edmonton is foiled again.
This is my prediction (not actually).

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You are the one freaking about about rumors and suggesting the Flames were desperate to spend cap space despite having the most in the NHL over the last year. Narrative doesn't fit reality though.

Marner is a GREAT player I like him more than most, he can play on my team any day. He ain't coming to Calgary. Flames will continue to try and add good players 25 and younger.

He is no 33 year old Tyson Barrie though!

[Itse]

Originally Posted by NewFan

The organization should refrain from attempting to build a team through high draft picks, as exemplified by Stanley Cup-winning franchises such as Florida, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Washington, Pittsburgh, Chicago, or Los Angeles or most of cup winners.

A preferable approach would be to emulate teams that have secured the Stanley Cup without reliance on top-three draft selections, such as… you know…, some teams like,,, there are some right? Like those teams that didn’t draft high like St. Louis? Or Las Vegas? which were constructed through some luck for their draft picks and but mostly good trades?

For example, look the teams currently competing in the playoffs, such as a….. Teams like didn't win last 20 years…, like Carolina and also Dallas - you know, noting that while those teams possess a few players originally drafted within the top three, those players were acquired via trade which we usually haven’t had luck last many years.

Carolina won in 2006. Somehow people never remember that season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It has been stated before that he has never played center.

Converting a 27 year old career winger into a center is terrible, and an idea that would scare him away likely.

This is like the time Sutter said Tanguay is a center and freaked him out.

Marner has always been open to playing centre and the Leafs have toyed with the idea as recently as this year.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toront...injury-pile-up

He would probably embrace the challenge of being a top line C. He would definitely need to work on his faceoffs though, the rest of his game is perfectly suited to C.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Also, some of the reactions in this thread are why the Flames are constantly mentioned in these rumors...you rubes fall for the click bait every single time

Not all of us live in a world where the Flames can do no wrong.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Not all of us live in a world where the Flames can do no wrong.

Monahammer lives in a world where the Flames can do no right.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

For me, Ehlers would be the poster child for 'player you shouldn't sign as a plan B after missing out on Marner.'

That may be the case. But he’s the 2nd or 3rd best forward available. If the Flames are looking at ‘top UFA forwards’, rather than just zeroing in on Marner, Ehlers will almost certainly be a target.

As for the Flames having a mandate to be a Cup contender within 2-3 years, that’s the least surprising thing ever for a long-time fan of this franchise. As always, the strategic direction comes from Edwards, not hockey OPs. I’ll be surprised if the Flames make picks with both their 1st rounders at the draft.

[robertsfanatic]

Knies is a beast and would be a fan favourite here immediately. But the amount required to get him to consider moving would be too high. Would you want to give up 1st rounders?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Not all of us live in a world where the Flames can do no wrong.

yeah some live if the world they can do no right...you disagree this article is clickbait? the Blue Jackets "might" also go big game hunting but nobody cares.

The Flames were basically tied for a playoff spot with the most cap space in the league and made no significant moves, what more proof do you guys need?

[Murph]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

Knies is a beast and would be a fan favourite here immediately. But the amount required to get him to consider moving would be too high. Would you want to give up 1st rounders?

$7M/year at a first and a third I’d do 10 times out of 10. No idea if the Leafs can fit that within their salary structure. I’d think long and hard about 1st, 2nd and 3rd at $8M-$9M.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

Knies is a beast and would be a fan favourite here immediately. But the amount required to get him to consider moving would be too high. Would you want to give up 1st rounders?

Knies is definitely worth a couple of 1sts to a team in its contention window. That team isn't the Flames.

On the other hand, the two 1sts the Flames have this year are in the back half of the round, right where you'd expect a contender to draft (especially if the Florida pick falls to 29th or worse).

I'd kick tires and find out an asking price, anyway.

The real trouble, I suspect, is that the Leafs can promote Knies to Marner's spot, let Marner walk, and get the cap room to address their holes in other places – particularly on defence. I don't imagine Knies is going anywhere.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Knies is definitely worth a couple of 1sts to a team in its contention window. That team isn't the Flames.

On the other hand, the two 1sts the Flames have this year are in the back half of the round, right where you'd expect a contender to draft (especially if the Florida pick falls to 29th or worse).

I'd kick tires and find out an asking price, anyway.

The real trouble, I suspect, is that the Leafs can promote Knies to Marner's spot, let Marner walk, and get the cap room to address their holes in other places – particularly on defence. I don't imagine Knies is going anywhere.

Leafs will miss Marner BIG TIME...he is not only one of their better offensive player his is a great two way player.

[traptor]

UFA projections:

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/nh...orida-panthers

1 Mitch Marner RW 27 7 x $13M
2 Brock Boeser RW 28 6 x $8.5M

5 Aaron Ekblad RD 29 7 x $7.8M
6 Sam Bennett C 28 6 x $6.4M

8 Nikolaj Ehlers LW 29 6 x $8.1M
9 Ivan Provorov LD 28 7 x $7M
10 Vladislav Gavrikov LD 29 7 x $7.6M

17 Dmitry Orlov LD 33 3 x $5.8M

33 Ryan Lindgren LD 27 3 x $4M

40 Dan Vladar G 27 1 x $1.5M

Alot of these seems pretty low (like Vladar).

I would actually be okay if we could get Bennett at that range, but I highly doubt he goes for that, especially to come here

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Frank is a drunk Monkey falling off a tightrope?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Marner has always been open to playing centre and the Leafs have toyed with the idea as recently as this year.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toront...injury-pile-up

He would probably embrace the challenge of being a top line C. He would definitely need to work on his faceoffs though, the rest of his game is perfectly suited to C.

I have yet to see a quote from him. That the coach and he said he even played defence. Pretty much coach speak. That quote was discussed previously and PED confirmed his dad wanted him listed as a C/W for draft position. He didn’t play center.

He wouldn’t be converted to a C he has been a winger his entire career. People will lose it when he becomes a 50 point player getting cooked taking faceoffs. He is also 27 so not a project. It made more sense moving Lindholm to that position.

[Finger Cookin]

I appreciate the news being shared, and it's good to know the organization has specific targets in mind, not just warm bodies. But I can't see much coming from this other than a lot of online chatter for the next 6-7 weeks.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Leafs will miss Marner BIG TIME...he is not only one of their better offensive player his is a great two way player.

He finished 3rd in Selke voting 2 seasons ago. Not bad for a RW. The last winger to win it was in 2003.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That may be the case. But he’s the 2nd or 3rd best forward available. If the Flames are looking at ‘top UFA forwards’, rather than just zeroing in on Marner, Ehlers will almost certainly be a target.

As for the Flames having a mandate to be a Cup contender within 2-3 years, that’s the least surprising thing ever for a long-time fan of this franchise. As always, the strategic direction comes from Edwards, not hockey OPs. I’ll be surprised if the Flames make picks with both their 1st rounders at the draft.

From the article, I got the impression that if they don’t land the big prize they’re not going to desperately grab what’s left.

I’d almost cry if we signed ehlers.