[PGT] Seattle 3 Calgary 2 (OT)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah losing Bahl has been massive. Quite amazing how important he has become

If you lose your Bahl just dont run into the street to get him back.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That's a bit of a revisionist history. Carolina assembled their core in their last rebuild. From 2010-2018 Carolina picked 2nd, 5th x 2, 7th x 2, 12th x 2, 13th. They missed the playoffs from 2009-2019!

In that time they drafted: Svechnikov(2), E. Lindholm(5), Hanifin(5), J. Skinner(7), Necas(12), Aho(35), Pesce(66), Slavin(120), F. Andersson(187). They also got a bunch of depth players.

Carolina really improved its drafting, and ability to identify players with star potential, but they're still built on their previous rebuild. Having Aho, and Slavin as the core leaders.

Carolina lost the ECF in both 2009 AND 2019!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is not a good team, guys.

Without Dustin Wolf, we are right there with the Sharks and Blackhawks.

No elite talent, not near being a contender, and won't get a great draft pick. What a disaster.

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I'd rather be a bottom 3 team and draft some offensive talent than not tank and finish 9th in the west again like most years.

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Except Carolina has elite offensive talent. The Flames only have a goalie.

So do you want them to stop playing Wolf? Or ask him to be worse? Or trade him?

Just a goalie? There's arguably no position that can change your team's fortunes more and keep you competitive for the long haul than an elite goalie that you draft yourself and keep for a decade+.

[flambers]

Flames lack of offense, is a serious issue.....

Its something, that' both system and players driven

Flames just don't have the talent to play this style 1-0 or 2-0 games

Just takes a couple bounces or bad give away etc.

However, they really don't have a choice, my guess Flames will start to fall down the standings.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames lack of offense, is a serious issue.....

Its something, that' both system and players driven

Flames just don't have the talent to play this style 1-0 or 2-0 games

Just takes a couple bounces or bad give away etc.

However, they really don't have a choice, my guess Flames will start to fall down the standings.

They pretty much to have try and play tight defensive hockey. They don’t have the horses to outscore the other teams. Wolf gave them all the runway to win and they only scored twice.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Flames are lacking that killer instinct that playoff teams have.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Flames are lacking that killer instinct that playoff teams have.

I don’t it’s that really. They just don’t have any game breaking talents outside of Wolf.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t it’s that really. They just don’t have any game breaking talents outside of Wolf.

Which plays into the posters who want to tank for elite talent.

Other than Wolf, their best contributors are mainly older players.

Calgary needs players like Coronato, Zara, Frost and Farabee to take steps forward and take over key offensive roles.

[Toonage]

Have Frost & Farabee had an actual practice yet? Kind of impressive how they’re both doing all things considered. Last night stunk, the Flames gave it away, but the stretch drive after the break might be better than we think.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Which plays into the posters who want to tank for elite talent.

Other than Wolf, their best contributors are mainly older players.

Calgary needs players like Coronato, Zara, Frost and Farabee to take steps forward and take over key offensive roles.

For sure. I just think they really did try and the team has been better than expected. I’m just happy they seem committed to staying the path. The upcoming free agency will be the real test.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Which plays into the posters who want to tank for elite talent.

Other than Wolf, their best contributors are mainly older players.

Calgary needs players like Coronato, Zara, Frost and Farabee to take steps forward and take over key offensive roles.

Huberdeau, Kadri are supposed to be those guys and paid to be those guys. They're not yet at the old guy on the 4th line stage of their careers. We're not talking about Corey Perry here.

[Caged Great]

The Flames remaining schedule.

14 games vs teams currently ranked between 10-32.
7 Vs teams ranked between 5-10
6 vs top 5 teams.

Yeah they are going to drop hard....

[skcli]

The team's identity is like they work hard but it is good enough for them to work in a Amazon warehouse, not in DT Calgary.


Too bad we have $10.5 million dollars man with good talent but not elite. Tehn you have whole bunch of veterans who cannot score except Kadri.


The sky is not falling but this team is not going anywhere. Conroy's will have a tough decision to make to trade the veterans for a bag of pucks. I will start with Backlund the Captain.

[beaster]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

That's a bit of a revisionist history. Carolina assembled their core in their last rebuild. From 2010-2018 Carolina picked 2nd, 5th x 2, 7th x 2, 12th x 2, 13th. They missed the playoffs from 2009-2019!

In that time they drafted: Svechnikov(2), E. Lindholm(5), Hanifin(5), J. Skinner(7), Necas(12), Aho(35), Pesce(66), Slavin(120), F. Andersson(187). They also got a bunch of depth players.

Carolina really improved its drafting, and ability to identify players with star potential, but they're still built on their previous rebuild. Having Aho, and Slavin as the core leaders.

Right on, Calgary has never had that ability

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Have Frost & Farabee had an actual practice yet? Kind of impressive how they’re both doing all things considered. Last night stunk, the Flames gave it away, but the stretch drive after the break might be better than we think.

Getting bahl and zary back will make a big difference in my mind. Maybe a little bit offensively but a lot defensively

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by skcli

The team's identity is like they work hard but it is good enough for them to work in a Amazon warehouse, not in DT Calgary.


Too bad we have $10.5 million dollars man with good talent but not elite. Tehn you have whole bunch of veterans who cannot score except Kadri.


The sky is not falling but this team is not going anywhere. Conroy's will have a tough decision to make to trade the veterans for a bag of pucks. I will start with Backlund the Captain.

The impact guys like Backlund/Coleman are having for players like Coronato might be reason enough to keep them.
If you can't get much return, let things transition with the young guys taking over key roles first.

Look at a player like Bedard and how badly he could use a Backlund to learn from; leadership & mentorship isnt worth trading for a bag of pucks.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Have Frost & Farabee had an actual practice yet? Kind of impressive how they’re both doing all things considered. Last night stunk, the Flames gave it away, but the stretch drive after the break might be better than we think.

Gut feel is this last home stand was the final nail. Now two things are going to have to happen.

They are going to have to beat a lot of top 10 teams down the stretch as they don’t have a lot of bottom feeders left on the card. They usually play well against better teams and poorly against weaker teams so this might play out.

Second thing is they are going to need someone to fall out of the top 8. A week or two ago it looked like the race was between cgy, LA, vcr and Colorado. One of those teams wasn’t going to make it. Since then Colorado and vcr seem to be righting their ship.

I think the only chance they are going to have is to win the head to heads against LA and Vcr. I don’t think they are going to catch the avalanche at this point.

They can’t blow any more opportunities like last night either. If you have teams on the ropes you have to finish them off. They seem to be letting off the gas lately if they get a 2 goal lead.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

The impact guys like Backlund/Coleman are having for players like Coronato might be reason enough to keep them.
If you can't get much return, let things transition with the young guys taking over key roles first.

Look at a player like Bedard and how badly he could use a Backlund to learn from; leadership & mentorship isnt worth trading for a bag of pucks.

I think of the vets they have left that is the role they are primarily filling outside of Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and Andersson who are still your best players.

Players like Bahl, Coronato, Frost, Wolf are fighting to get into the best players group. Coronato and Wolf are probably already there. Pretty sure Frost will be too. He has looked really good.

[Goriders]

If I’m Huska I’m trying to get Huberdeau, Kadri, Coronato, Frost, Zary, Farabee in the top six and Dropping Backlund, Coleman, Sharangovich down.

Once Bahl is back I’d also stabilize the D pairings and stop rotating guys like Barrie in. I’d only rotate Kuznetsov in to get experience. I’d stick with Andersson, Weegar, Bahl, Hanley, Pachal and Solovyov as your top six unless there are injuries. Bean the 7th.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If the team was actually that bad they would be at Anaheim levels. Anaheim has Gibson who has a higher save percentage than Wolf and Dostal who is pretty close. The problem with Anaheim is they have absolutely no elite forwards. Their forwards are awful compared with the Flames. Guys like MacTavish, Zegras and Carlson just won’t get it done.

Same with Seattle notwithstanding last night. Daccord has a better save percentage than Wolf. But guys like Beniers and Wright just don’t get it done.

Are we more talented on offense than either of those teams? We have an amazing goalie but we have less goals per game than Seattle.